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Right... Leelee... now you’re a moderator will you please give all the whiny fucks access to itk so they can stop cluttering this thread with their sobbing
Top post. Only seen Zaniolo 2x but after seeing him in a CL game I made it a point to watch the next Roma game. Don't watch Serie A other than the odd Fiorentina game but he stood out immediately as a player.
So your argument is that because some of us don't have the time or inclination to follow the youth teams of other clubs our opinions are invalid? Many of us heard about him in his first game which was against us and he acquitted himself very well. So well in fact that he never left the first team. We could argue that that was our ManU-Dele-FACup moment.
Goal stat justification again. When will it ever end. I can point to actual play where AWB has shutdown every winger/WF in this league...every week (and I'm not sure he has scored even 1 goal this year or last). THAT matters not shiny objects. Those are raw materials to build on, to coach up and improve. For Sessegnon I don't see any 'there' there.
Everyone knows there are games against deep-lying teams like Brighton on Tuesday where we can't play Davies and Rose has been ineffective as a high wing-back, poor crossing, giving away possession cheaply. Sessegnon's role for Fulham as a wide forward has been productive, he has a crazy accurate and powerful left foot, sneaks into the box with perfect timing, very tricky player knows how to beat a man and get to the by-line. He's the type of player who can get produce a goal out of nowhere against a team like Brighton with eleven defenders in and around the box because of his creativity getting to the line, beating the widest defender, and left-footed shooting from distance. The problem for me is he hasn't shown himself to be an elite or even near-elite defender against premier league competition--and I worry that even a particularly physical mid-table team like West Ham could give him trouble if he's played as a LB in a back four. Essentially his year in the PL was wasted and now Fulham want Luke Shaw/Kyle Walker/Ben Mendy type money. But he's 18. The potential is definitely there for a very productive high wing back who could be a game-changer against bottom-table teams that sit back and defend. It's all about whether he could be obtained for a reasonable fee that leaves enough room to improve the squad elsewhere.
Feel free to show video proof of such. Much of what you say here are qualities of an imaginary player and not the player I have seen. Maybe it's Ryan Ressegnon but not the player we are talkng about. The bolded ones are accurate and the italicized ones are hogwash. You are imbuing a player with qualities he does not have. And this makes my point even better than I did previously. Most have no idea the type of player he is. Not even in the championship did he do the things you are suggesting.
and whats your view on Mendes
Feel free to flesh it out then because I don't really know how not hearing about a player when he is 18 refutes anyone's take on said player now. It just seemed a convenient way to try to dismiss folk's very valid arguments against a player that perhaps you like.
I don't think that is entirely true though, Palaces LB averages as many key passes per game as Rose (more than Davies and Aurier), which is 2.5 x more than Wan-Bissaka averages per game.
Good post. Well reasoned reply.
My response would be that those are stats that do not tell the whole story. Watching him (which I'm sure you have) gives you a better understanding of his game. I think to the Brighton game and think what about that kid would have helped us in a situation like that? I struggle to find anything. His goals comes from inching up the field and being very close to goal. How would he get there in a game like that, a game we see often and Fulham never does?
You say he has 'flaws' but I say he has deficiencies. You can argue tomato-toma(h)to but there is a difference. Ndombele is a little cavalier with the ball near his box but he actually does have the ability to do what he does = a flaw. Sessegnon doesn't seem to have the technical ability necessary to play up front and doesn't seem to have the defensive instincts to play in the back = deficiencies.
I also think folks will realize that he is in fact not quite as pacy as they think he is.
Outside of quoting goal/assist (shiny objects) stats I ask you to tell me something he does that is better than a slew of other players. I feel like I have had this same debate 3-4 years ago with folks about Tripps. they justified his transfer with assist/cross stats but neglected the fact that he was shit defender...and even after 4 years of coaching is still a shit defender. I just feel a bit of deja vu.
Video proof:
