Player Watch: Kieran Trippier

Spurs72 said:

Just tired of people not realizing that Pace/Speed/Quickness is a thing that is needed, Why do people think some that Some of the best fullbacks in the World are pacey , Why do teams try to get pacey Wingers, if he (Trips) had more pace to keep up With the Sterlings, Mane's Adame Traore's of the world etc, I think honestly Trips would be a great defender, but if you run a 100 Meter Dash in 12 secs, And I run it in 9, I will see u at the finish.

If Kyle Walker had no pace you think pep would have even Batted an eyelid Walkers way. Pace does help and for all you saying its positioning , knowing how to defend etc and so on, Be Serious.

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This is mainly due to how football is now played, lots of teams play with a high line and/or fast pacey front 3, both of those require pacey defenders to cope UNLESS you play an Italian style deep low block but as we’ve seen recently this is a little outdated and more often than not unless you Have you guessed it... PACE in attack you will offer nothing on the counter and then your slow experienced defenders will eventually be picked apart.

Pace is not everything but it is certainly very important, I’d add athleticism to that not just ‘pace’ I like Aurier I think he is athletic just like rose is, trippier is absoloutley not.

fishhhandaricecake said:

Been saying for about 2 seasons that he’s not good enough, point is it’s not that he’s shit or not good, he’s a very good defender and technically also exceptional and has served us very well but he’s not quite at the level we now need him to be, we’ve squeezed all we can out of him and now we need to move him on..

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He's very clearly not.

coopsieyid said:

Like others, you're not taking into account that he (and Rose, Vertonghen & Alderweireld) we're offered practically zero protection from the midfield.

I should explain, I'm not saying he/they couldn't have done better for all the goals we conceded. But I am saying they were very much hung out to dry by those ahead of them on the pitch.

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Having watched both of Sterling's goals multiple times now, I fail to see how the midfield can be blamed for either of them. The first goal, we had 3 midfielders in the box. The first goal came from Sterling cutting in from our right hand side, with Trippier giving him all the time in the world to run in and take the shot. The second goal came from a cross along the goal with Sterling sneaking in completely unmarked for a tap in. Again, 3 midfielders in the box when the goal went in.

Is it not primarily the right back's job to defend against the left forward?

I like Trippier especially against weaker teams when he doesn't have to defend much, his crossing ability can be very useful and he should take free kicks from Eriksen. Problem is top 5-6 teams (and Wolves), teams with fast wingers and/or fullbacks where he gets exposed. We are not playing at the old WHL, one with the narrow pitch where pressing is easier and wingers have less space to dribble, top teams (including us) have wider pitches and speed is king. Čorluka was great for us and he was incredibly slow, but he was exceptional defensively and had great partnership with Lennon. That was long time ago though and football has changed since them, and even Čorluka had to switch to a CB position soon after he left us when new tactics started getting popularity.

Normally it's ok for a FB not to be lightning fast, Sergio Roberto certainly isn't, Lahm and Srna in the old age were still incredible but they have/had plenty of other skills like leadership, passing, positioning, concentration, great tackling. You just can't be slow AND bad defensively. And even if Trippier was better defensively I would still think we should consider selling him since Pochettino's system is a bit special and to get best use of it you NEED to have super fast FBs (or wingbacks, whatever you want to call it). That was the best football from Tottenham I've ever seen with Rose and Walker bombarding forward. As I said before: "What our opponents fans are saying about us" thread was all about other teams fans worrying about speed of Walker and Rose and thinking of ways to counter them.

Trippier would probably do very well at a team like Watford where they are expected to drop points against top clubs anyway and he could get 10+ assists with his crosses looking for Deeney. And playing them I would worry a little bit about his crossing and set pieces but I would LOVE the fact that he would be in charge of defending Son, I don't care if he has prime Makelele and Kante helping him out I would still fancy Son for a hat trick.

Replace Liverpool's first choice FBs with their bench options and they are nowhere near as good, modern football is all about being bigger, faster, stronger. Pace and spacing in football are becoming way too important, basically just like they are in NBA. In NBA you want great 3 point shooters in the team, if they are not great shooters then they have to be great defensively or they probably won't start on your team. FBs are basically the same in football except shooting=speed, especially in some tactical systems. I expect us to lose or draw against most top teams and biggest reason for it is our set of fullbacks, we need upgrades and giving more minutes to KWP would be good too.

DFF said:

You just dismissed Walker as only having pace on Trippier. Then say “everyone knows” pace is half the battle.

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No, I didn’t.

I said it’s important, which it is. But Kyle Walker’s pace doesn’t make him twice the player of Trippier, which is the original point I was countering.

Truth is Trippier is nowhere near as bad as people like to make out. As ever, Spurs fans love a scapegoat.

Paolo10 said:

How exactly did pace (or lack thereof) have anything to do with the goals that somehow Trippier is being solely blamed for (yet again)?

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Players without pace stand well off fast players so they don’t get skinned. Unfortunately this gives the attacker ample room in front to do damage by cutting in with the whole goal to aim at. Which is exactly what happened for the first goal.

Second Sterling goal he just plain old lost his man at the back post for the umpteenth time.

Tucker said:

No, I didn’t.

I said it’s important, which it is. But Kyle Walker’s pace doesn’t make him twice the player of Trippier, which is the original point I was countering.

Truth is Trippier is nowhere near as bad as people like to make out. As ever, Spurs fans love a scapegoat.

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A scapegoat is blamed for the wrongs of others. Who’s he being scapegoated for?

If we don’t upgrade RB this summer I will consider that a failure.

DFF said:

If we don’t upgrade RB this summer I will consider that a failure.

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That's fair enough, and also understandable.

One question, though. With our blatant glaring lack CM options, and IF we do end up losing the likes of Eriksen & Alderweireld, and taking into account that, unlike certain other clubs we don't have bottomless pockets, Is the RB position/conundrum going to be one of priority?

coopsieyid said:

That's fair enough, and also understandable.

One question, though. With our blatant glaring lack CM options, and IF we do end up losing the likes of Eriksen & Alderweireld, and taking into account that, unlike certain other clubs we don't have bottomless pockets, Is the RB position/conundrum going to be one of priority?

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Exactly, it’s surely not the priority. Yes I think there are better right backs out there, but that doesn’t make them realistic signings. Poch isn’t as knee jerk as our fans are, Trips has had a bad season, but he’s got qualities that can work well for us.

Tucker said:

Exactly, it’s surely not the priority. Yes I think there are better right backs out there, but that doesn’t make them realistic signings. Poch isn’t as knee jerk as our fans are, Trips has had a bad season, but he’s got qualities that can work well for us.

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Agreed. It's without question that we could absolutely find a better RB alternative. We just have other glaring holes that we've all been saying should be filled/addressed for much longer than we've been saying we need to upgrade our FB options. And those holes could be made even bigger if Eriksen & Alderweireld do end up leaving this summer.

Where do we prioritise?

coopsieyid said:

Agreed. It's without question that we could absolutely find a better RB alternative. We just have other glaring holes that we've all been saying should be filled/addressed for much longer than we've been saying we need to upgrade our FB options. And those holes could be made even bigger if Eriksen & Alderweireld do end up leaving this summer.

Where do we prioritise?

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Great planning Baldy!

dtxspurs said:

Great planning Baldy!

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Oi I fucking shave my head

coopsieyid said:

Agreed. It's without question that we could absolutely find a better RB alternative. We just have other glaring holes that we've all been saying should be filled/addressed for much longer than we've been saying we need to upgrade our FB options. And those holes could be made even bigger if Eriksen & Alderweireld do end up leaving this summer.

Where do we prioritise?

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It’s almost as if when you don’t make any signings for 18 months your transfer needs pile up!

It shouldn’t be beyond our capability to address CM and RB and deal with the Toby and Eriksen situations minimum. I said shouldn’t. We’ll see.

DFF said:

It’s almost as if when you don’t make any signings for 18 months your transfer needs pile up!

It shouldn’t be beyond our capability to address CM and RB and deal with the Toby and Eriksen situations minimum. I said shouldn’t. We’ll see.

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I agree with all of that.

That said, my question still stands. As much as it shouldn't be beyond our capability to address CM, RB and the Toby/Eriksen situations. If we have to make the choice, which would/should be the priority?

Oh, as an aside. @dtxspurs & @DFF , Kudos to both of you for being willing to actually discuss this, rather than just insulting & throwing names at those who have a different outlook to yourselves.

coopsieyid said:

Oh, as an aside. @dtxspurs & @DFF , Kudos to both of you for being willing to actually discuss this, rather than just insulting & throwing names at those who have a different outlook to yourselves.

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TBF I did call Levy a name...

midoNdefoe said:

Pace had nothing to do with the fact he just stood and watched Sterling score the opener.

Besides that, he didn't let it get to him, pulled his socks up and contributed massively with the rest of the team in eeking out a win....

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Was he actually standing and watching though? Or had he picked up a midfield runner (Silva) into his zone?

At what exact point was he supposed to leave Silva and go to Sterling and easily defend against one of the most skillful and most expensive wide players in the World by 'showing him down the line' (lol...so easy to post on a forum and yet so difficult to actually do in reality)?

All 4 players in a narrow midfield were round De Bruyne like flies round shite and did very little to hinder him whatsoever by the way.

Does Sterling (one of the players of the season so far) get any credit whatsoever for that finish? You'd think it was almost a tap-in from the sounds of how horrendous it was from Trippier.

Also put the corner in that won us the tie, cleared the first man unlike a certain Dane's usual deliveries.

dtxspurs said:

TBF I did call Levy a name...

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Theres absolutely no debate Trippier is a lability, he is not a good defender . We need to upgrade so very obvious.

coopsieyid said:

That's fair enough, and also understandable.

One question, though. With our blatant glaring lack CM options, and IF we do end up losing the likes of Eriksen & Alderweireld, and taking into account that, unlike certain other clubs we don't have bottomless pockets, Is the RB position/conundrum going to be one of priority?

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True. As out of our league Trippier is, we have 3 rb and probably be 1.5 Cms. So we need to focus on getting a CM first!