rez9000
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That's fair enough. I just want to say, sorry if I've come across as rowing. I'm genuinely not - just having an interesting debate.
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rez9000
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Surely your argument isn't that 'it's the same everywhere, so there's no problem'...?
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I stand by the sentence that the premier league would not be at the same level quality wise if there was complete parity, but I wasn’t trying to imply that was your position.
Also the parity of the MLS is absolutely a major part of what is keeping the league from progressing more rapidly in quality. The quality in the league really jumped drastically after the DP rule and TAM rule started taking place, which really began to shift the balance in favor of the clubs in big cities and deep pocketed owners. We’re constantly struggling to complete with Liga MX in our version of the Champions League because we there just isn’t enough money being spent. There is reluctance among club owners to increase spending because those increases have shown to further reduce parity. The academy system is just starting to take root here and that is a major bane of parity. The drafts, which are how most American sports maintain parity, are becoming obsolete so they have lost the role of evening out things across the league. Its a tad bit reductive to say Americans dislike footie so that is the culprit in why the league has reduced quality. The league is barely 20 years old and we don’t pay the salaries they pay in the big leagues in Europe. We’re growing and we like our parity, but as the league gets better it constantly becomes less even.
The MLS is a much better comparison than the NFL, MLB, NHL, or NBA because soccer is such a global sport and has to deal with a global marketplace. The drafts and salary cap mechanisms only work because there are no other alternatives.
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But you're still saying that my point is that every team should have the same chance of winning, which isn't what I'm saying.
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Guys, I'm sorry, but you seem to be wanting to not actually see what it is I'm saying, so maybe we should put it aside in the interests of not going off topic? But if either of you want to continue the discussion by PM, I'm more than happy to do so.
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I'm sorry, I'll say it one last time:
Every team having a realistic chance of winning is not the same as every team having the same chance of winning.
I hope that clears it up.
But that's not what you wrote? You would like to see a league where any team has a chance of winning
MLS decides which players go where. The transfer fees do not go to the teams, but rather the league. That’s why there is parity. Players have very little rights, there underpaid and the quality of the teams are kept to minimal level which is partly why they blown away in the Americas version of CL. MLS also keeps the amateur clubs who actually do what MLS refuses to do and develop players, down by refusing to give them the fees they earned on sales that is dictated by FIFA. It’s a poor quality league with corrupt, horrifically bad management that drags US Socccer down with it through its cartel like marketing arm.
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Yes has a chance. The old first division teams had a chance. Derby, forest etc... Even though it was dominated by the big 5.
It was more about team rather than who could spend the most.
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I'm really sorry buddy - I simply can't debate it with you. I honestly can't see how else I can explain what I've said. My words have been clear and exact and I've tried to explain it even more simply, but you seem stuck on wanting to ascribe something to me that I'm simply not saying. Sorry.
rez9000
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No, chap, you're not.
I've actually found a way of explaining it to you:
Spurs: 2/1 odds of winning the league
Huddersfield: 3/1 odds of winning the title.
Are they the same?
Hotspur_Hero
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Hot take! Wrong but hot! Transfer fees go partially to the clubs, and this value has been rising some over the years, and that is another mechanism through which parity is maintained. That point helps my argument!
The issue with compensation for youth clubs doesn’t have anything to do with parity. It violates a whole host of US laws.
The MLS obviously has different aims and goals than USSF, the same as the premier league has different goals than the English FA. Not sure why that’s surprising to you.
You can levy a lot of criticism at the league, i clearly have in my earlier post, but I’m not sure corruption and mismanagement are fair. The league would have folded 15 years ago if it wasn’t for stellar management. That has definitely made them gun-shy today of making wholesale changes.
When you go back to the maximum wage days, i.e. pre-1960, many more teams had a chance of winning the Division 1 title.
Having not been around then (and not knowing your age) is that actually true?
Because it looks like the 50's were dominated by ourselves, wolves and UTD with a one off gooner and chavs season
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Not sure about this. I'm not particuarly familiar with MLS rules but I'm pretty sure that Vancouver got all of the money that Bayern paid for Alphonso Davies. The fee has been regularly talked about on Vancouver sports radio and I've never heard anybody say that the MLS gets the money - it's been all about what the Whitecaps should do with it.
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Like it or not (and for the majority of all fans it is not) it is the way the PL is going. And the longer it goes on the closer we will get to some kind of Parity.
Money is still flowing into English football with one of the Arab states now looking to acquire a Championship team and inject massive amounts of money that will create yet another behemoth.
There are already a big 6, some with more money than others. There is now Everton who it seems are now ready to bankroll. Before long we may have 8 ot 10 teams with huge amounts of capital available to them.
Continue with that evolution and the PL will be predominately filled with teams owned by Billionaire Sugar Daddies.
On a slightly different note, when the balloon payment system was introduced to teams relegated from the PL it was mooted that it would ruin the 2nd tier of English football.
Quite the contrary has happened with the Championship being one if the most competitive leagues in the world. Yes there are still the usual suspects but I deny anyone to predict who will be promoted at the start of the season with any level of undelusional confidence.
Unfortunately this is the way football is going. And unless the global popularity of the PL starts to wane, which I doubt especially with the growing Asian market, the growth will continue.
Money is still flowing into English football with one of the Arab states now looking to acquire a Championship team and inject massive amounts of money that will create yet another behemoth.
There are already a big 6, some with more money than others. There is now Everton who it seems are now ready to bankroll. Before long we may have 8 ot 10 teams with huge amounts of capital available to them.
Continue with that evolution and the PL will be predominately filled with teams owned by Billionaire Sugar Daddies.
On a slightly different note, when the balloon payment system was introduced to teams relegated from the PL it was mooted that it would ruin the 2nd tier of English football.
Quite the contrary has happened with the Championship being one if the most competitive leagues in the world. Yes there are still the usual suspects but I deny anyone to predict who will be promoted at the start of the season with any level of undelusional confidence.
Unfortunately this is the way football is going. And unless the global popularity of the PL starts to wane, which I doubt especially with the growing Asian market, the growth will continue.
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going back in time a team that was promoted actually won the old 1st Division. We won Div2 then Div1 49/50 & 50/51, I think Ipswich did the same (not 100%), and Forest won it their 1st season in Div1 and the 2 seasons after won the European Cup. things changed the minute the Premier League settled
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