The Spurs Transfer Wishlist & Scouting Thread

Lighty64 · Mar 13, 2019

shelfboy68 said:
But who's fault is that mate can only be them two surely.

It was there fault in the 1st place buying players that never worked, but that can happen to players you expect to work, ie.... Saldado, Paulinho and many others.

You keep pumping out trying to sell high, buy low but other than Toby we never really heard any figures for the others. We did here we was willing to suffer a loss on Jansen in the winter, but no buyers.

The club are not going to make big losses on our players, then pay a lot higher for those we want in, especially if the goal post get moved. Apparently we offered just short of 50m for de Ligt, then Riola( or whatever his name was) got involved, they then wanted 70m and have him loaned back.

am_yisrael_chai · Mar 13, 2019

Lighty64 said:
before making comments like that, why not wait till the summer and see what we do, do. ITK said we had money last summer. they also said Levy wouldn't purchase till we sold because of our squad size.

people need to understand we CANNOT HAVE A SQUAD OF 30 PLAYERS!!! sorry for shouting, but getting tired of posting the same thing over and over again. we can't pay players not included as well as shell out money to buy players, and pay them also, on top of all the other staff in the club

I've resisted the urge to respond for a long time but I can't let you keep repeating this nonsense. The difference between qualifying for CL and not is greater than £50m, depending on how far you progress and not taking into account the impact on sponsorship. So now ask yourself the question, if we had to park up Janssen, GKN, Wanyama and take your pick of 2 other players how much would the wages cost ? At an average of £50k per week (I doubt Janssen or GKN are even on this much) you are talking about £12.5m in wages if you parked 5 players that you couldn't put in your squad. It doesn't take Einstein to get the maths.....

Of course if we did splash out on players and didn't qualify for CL then you just have the extra cost and it seems to me that is the way the club is being run, caution first at all costs. Don't be surprised when most of the fan base don't subscribe to the caution first approach.

am_yisrael_chai · Mar 13, 2019

shelfmonkey said:
It will be interesting to see how failing to qualify for the CL (if we don't finish in the top 4) affects the level of cash we can command from naming rights for the NWHL! If we end up finishing 7th, what happens the?!!

I doubt it matters, naming rights cover a 10 year + period so one season isn't going to dictate the deal, I think the far bigger factor is whether we get more NFL games at the stadium.

Lighty64 · Mar 13, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
I've resisted the urge to respond for a long time but I can't let you keep repeating this nonsense. The difference between qualifying for CL and not is greater than £50m, depending on how far you progress and not taking into account the impact on sponsorship. So now ask yourself the question, if we had to park up Janssen, GKN, Wanyama and take your pick of 2 other players how much would the wages cost ? At an average of £50k per week (I doubt Janssen or GKN are even on this much) you are talking about £12.5m in wages if you parked 5 players that you couldn't put in your squad. It doesn't take Einstein to get the maths.....

Of course if we did splash out on players and didn't qualify for CL then you just have the extra cost and it seems to me that is the way the club is being run, caution first at all costs. Don't be surprised when most of the fan base don't subscribe to the caution first approach.

until the stadium is paid I'd expect caution, and until the stadium is paid for I'd expect our banks we borrow the money off to show caution too. (yes we have to get funding from the bank for signings 1, of the members on here would back me up, if I could remember his nick and tag him)

am_yisrael_chai · Mar 13, 2019

Lighty64 said:
until the stadium is paid I'd expect caution, and until the stadium is paid for I'd expect our banks we borrow the money off to show caution too. (yes we have to get funding from the bank for signings 1, of the members on here would back me up, if I could remember his nick and tag him)

I don't want to derail the thread but the stadium is a fixed asset that will generate revenues for at least 20 years, it doesn't make sense to "pay it off", no sensible business would operate on the basis of starving cashflow to its operations to pay down debt on a long term fixed asset.

P.S. This is the Transfer Wishlist and Scouting thread, can you please stop posting ENIC / finance stuff in here.

ToDarrenIsToDo · Mar 13, 2019

Fredo said:
I think Project Pochettino requires CL for next season to have any chance of succeeding.

Of course it doesn't. Pochettino has stated numerous times that we are ahead of schedule, meaning that the top 4 has been a bonus up until now.

Of course it helps but if Levy has given him objectives that are imperative for us to finish in he top four when Chelsea have been able to fork out over £250m in incomings since the last window we signed a player, he is an awful businessman which we all know isn't true

Lighty64 · Mar 13, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
I don't want to derail the thread but the stadium is a fixed asset that will generate revenues for at least 20 years, it doesn't make sense to "pay it off", no sensible business would operate on the basis of starving cashflow to its operations to pay down debt on a long term fixed asset.

P.S. This is the Transfer Wishlist and Scouting thread, can you please stop posting ENIC / finance stuff in here.

in its 80 odd pages it has gone off bundles due to the "we won't buy anyone because Levy is to tight", crew

double0 · Mar 13, 2019

We all need to be realistic knowing how the club operates, there is a possibility we'll all be very disappointed with the lack of player investment.

Question to the thread,

1. How many players will we sign during the upcoming transfer window.

2. How many players will we sell.

dtxspurs · Mar 13, 2019

double0 said:
We all need to be realistic knowing how the club operates, there is a possibility we'll all be very disappointed with the lack of player investment.

Question to the thread,

1. How many players will we sign during the upcoming transfer window.

2. How many players will we sell.

IMO, we need to sign 5: CM, DM, LB, RB and ST
We should sell: Trippier, Aurier, Davies/Rose (pick one), Sissoko, Wanyama, Janssen, Nkoudou. Llorente & Vorm to expire. Could also throw in CCV & Onomah into sales as I don't see them having futures with us.

Then you have the likelihood that Eriksen & Alderweireld will be gone and you need a new AM & CB.

So much potential turnover that I can't possibly see us addressing all of our needs.

I bet we sign 4 or 5 but only buy one fullback, one midfielder, an attacking mid, & a CB.

Univarn · Mar 13, 2019

double0 said:
We all need to be realistic knowing how the club operates, there is a possibility we'll all be very disappointed with the lack of player investment.

Question to the thread,

1. How many players will we sign during the upcoming transfer window.

2. How many players will we sell.

The reason people on here are being more unrealistic than normal is likely because we've not done anything for 2 windows the amount that needs to be done hasn't gone down it's just been carried forward. Some critical decisions on whether a player will stay or ask to leave is approaching at the same time a lot of players we needed to move last year are still here.

ToDarrenIsToDo · Mar 13, 2019

Lighty64 said:
until the stadium is paid I'd expect caution, and until the stadium is paid for I'd expect our banks we borrow the money off to show caution too. (yes we have to get funding from the bank for signings 1, of the members on here would back me up, if I could remember his nick and tag him)

Since 2008 & as of 2017 when the latest financial results had been released the club has generated funds of £837m. £148m of this has come external bank loans.

The club has £172m of cash next to its name, meaning the remaining £665m has gone elsewhere.

£837m - £148m gives us £665m. £98m has been spent on signings & a whopping £493m of our funds generated has gone towards paying for the capital exenditure I.E. stadium, acquiring land, training ground etc.

This outlay leaves us with £72m.weve had to pay roughly £24m in taxes, £42m or so back in external loan interest and c£7m has been paid as dividends to shareholders.

According to Swiss Ramblings (can I post the link without getting banned on here?) £837m of the profit the club has made has seen us take out a £148m loan yet end up with £172m cash, meaning that between the financial years of 2008 the club have in theory only made a cash profit of £24m.

In 10 years our comined outlay for playing staff & infstursture costs & interest rates on loans paid back combined has been £633m to date (£98m, £493m & £42m in interest).

In the same period Chelsea have spent £393m on players, £103m on capital expenditure & £88m in loan repayments to Abramovic, totalling £584m.

So basically when you look at our outlay (£633m) compared to Chelseas (£584m) or even Liverpools (£593m combined, but Liverpool have during this time taken out a £257m loan from their owners that needs to get paid back that has gone towards this expenditure) it's clear to see that whilst we look stingy, as of our last financial results, since 2008 we've actually spent £49m MORE than Chelsea & £40m MORE than Liverpool,we've even spent £15m MORE than Arsenal since 2008 altogether (Arsenal have spent £613m on player purchases, capital expenditure & loan repayments + interest.

So basically the club HAS been spending its own money, its own profit as it currently has only £172m of its £837m generated, £148m of which were loans, with the remaining £517m spent on players and building. We've basically reinvested £517m without the use of any loans into the club over the last 10 years, with further £448m left to repay without interest included, according to the clubs financials on the official website.

Happy to post the links providing this information I found on another site if anyone wants to take a look at why we seem stingy, but really we've spent more than the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool & Arsenal as of our last financial results across the last decade (y)

Lighty64 · Mar 13, 2019

double0 said:
We all need to be realistic knowing how the club operates, there is a possibility we'll all be very disappointed with the lack of player investment.

Question to the thread,

1. How many players will we sign during the upcoming transfer window.

2. How many players will we sell.

I think we will buy 2 less than what we sell, or might stretch to the same as we will also be letting 2 go, Vorm and Llorente.

I really hope we get a HG keeper for the 3rd keeper, but he has to be good enough to step up. the last 2 seasons Gazzaniga has had to step in to vital matches.

with KWP now able to step in and boost the HG I hope we sell Trippier, and give Aurier the main roll with KWP rotating. the way Poch uses his FB/WB Aurier has struggled to get up to speed. I think Poch rotates too much.

LB/LWB I'm really struggling with. if Rose was the Rose of a few years ago, that was able to play more regular, I would keep him and Davies, and also use Davies for Jan as cover

if Toby is sold I wouldn't replace, I would play Sanchez regular, then use Foyth or even Dier (providing we buy a CDM) as CB.

if Eriksen does go to RM, and Bale was part of the deal (and was happy with the wages), I wouldn't be too upset, but would love someone like Fakhir in as a replacement.

we need cover for Kane, I would settle for using Son, as I can't see many up and coming strikers wanting to sit it out in hope

ardiles · Mar 13, 2019

Shadydan said:
One day I pray Messi and Ronaldo walk through the gates ?

Keep on praying and they might get invited to play for Skipp’s testimonial.

am_yisrael_chai · Mar 13, 2019

double0 said:
We all need to be realistic knowing how the club operates, there is a possibility we'll all be very disappointed with the lack of player investment.

Question to the thread,

1. How many players will we sign during the upcoming transfer window.

2. How many players will we sell.

Sorry to state this again but why do we need to be "realistic" in a Wishlist and Scouting thread ?

am_yisrael_chai · Mar 13, 2019

ToDarrenIsToDo said:
Since 2008 & as of 2017 when the latest financial results had been released the club has generated funds of £837m. £148m of this has come external bank loans.

The club has £172m of cash next to its name, meaning the remaining £665m has gone elsewhere.

£837m - £148m gives us £665m. £98m has been spent on signings & a whopping £493m of our funds generated has gone towards paying for the capital exenditure I.E. stadium, acquiring land, training ground etc.

This outlay leaves us with £72m.weve had to pay roughly £24m in taxes, £42m or so back in external loan interest and c£7m has been paid as dividends to shareholders.

According to Swiss Ramblings (can I post the link without getting banned on here?) £837m of the profit the club has made has seen us take out a £148m loan yet end up with £172m cash, meaning that between the financial years of 2008 the club have in theory only made a cash profit of £24m.

In 10 years our comined outlay for playing staff & infstursture costs & interest rates on loans paid back combined has been £633m to date (£98m, £493m & £42m in interest).

In the same period Chelsea have spent £393m on players, £103m on capital expenditure & £88m in loan repayments to Abramovic, totalling £584m.

So basically when you look at our outlay (£633m) compared to Chelseas (£584m) or even Liverpools (£593m combined, but Liverpool have during this time taken out a £257m loan from their owners that needs to get paid back that has gone towards this expenditure) it's clear to see that whilst we look stingy, as of our last financial results, since 2008 we've actually spent £49m MORE than Chelsea & £40m MORE than Liverpool,we've even spent £15m MORE than Arsenal since 2008 altogether (Arsenal have spent £613m on player purchases, capital expenditure & loan repayments + interest.

So basically the club HAS been spending its own money, its own profit as it currently has only £172m of its £837m generated, £148m of which were loans, with the remaining £517m spent on players and building. We've basically reinvested £517m without the use of any loans into the club over the last 10 years, with further £448m left to repay without interest included, according to the clubs financials on the official website.

Happy to post the links providing this information I found on another site if anyone wants to take a look at why we seem stingy, but really we've spent more than the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool & Arsenal as of our last financial results across the last decade

Wrong thread, there is an entire thread on the Swiss Ramblings info started by Rob. Post there and we can debate.

Shadydan · Mar 13, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
Wrong thread, there is an entire thread on the Swiss Ramblings info started by Rob. Post there and we can debate.

You know you can just copy and paste it and reply to it in there to make it easier, just saying.

ToDarrenIsToDo · Mar 13, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
Wrong thread, there is an entire thread on the Swiss Ramblings info started by Rob. Post there and we can debate.

Seeing as so many fans wonder where our money is, I thought a breakdown showing that we've actually spent more than Chelsea, Liverpool & Arsenal when it comes to clubs funds in here so people understand we aren't sitting on our dough, it's been invested elsewhere for the greater good. Thanks for the heads up though (y)

double0 · Mar 13, 2019

am_yisrael_chai said:
Sorry to state this again but why do we need to be "realistic" in a Wishlist and Scouting thread ?

Because I said so!?

nedley · Mar 13, 2019

Paolo10 said:
At the moment, I'm unsure if Ryan Sessegnon is good enough for 1st team football at Spurs.

If we bought him, I'd be shocked if we didn't loan him back for at least a season.

He's 10 times the LWB that Davies is for sure. He'd get game time after a season in the prem and a solid pre season with us.

Spursh · Mar 13, 2019

ToDarrenIsToDo said:
Since 2008 & as of 2017 when the latest financial results had been released the club has generated funds of £837m. £148m of this has come external bank loans.

The club has £172m of cash next to its name, meaning the remaining £665m has gone elsewhere.

£837m - £148m gives us £665m. £98m has been spent on signings & a whopping £493m of our funds generated has gone towards paying for the capital exenditure I.E. stadium, acquiring land, training ground etc.

This outlay leaves us with £72m.weve had to pay roughly £24m in taxes, £42m or so back in external loan interest and c£7m has been paid as dividends to shareholders.

According to Swiss Ramblings (can I post the link without getting banned on here?) £837m of the profit the club has made has seen us take out a £148m loan yet end up with £172m cash, meaning that between the financial years of 2008 the club have in theory only made a cash profit of £24m.

In 10 years our comined outlay for playing staff & infstursture costs & interest rates on loans paid back combined has been £633m to date (£98m, £493m & £42m in interest).

In the same period Chelsea have spent £393m on players, £103m on capital expenditure & £88m in loan repayments to Abramovic, totalling £584m.

So basically when you look at our outlay (£633m) compared to Chelseas (£584m) or even Liverpools (£593m combined, but Liverpool have during this time taken out a £257m loan from their owners that needs to get paid back that has gone towards this expenditure) it's clear to see that whilst we look stingy, as of our last financial results, since 2008 we've actually spent £49m MORE than Chelsea & £40m MORE than Liverpool,we've even spent £15m MORE than Arsenal since 2008 altogether (Arsenal have spent £613m on player purchases, capital expenditure & loan repayments + interest.

So basically the club HAS been spending its own money, its own profit as it currently has only £172m of its £837m generated, £148m of which were loans, with the remaining £517m spent on players and building. We've basically reinvested £517m without the use of any loans into the club over the last 10 years, with further £448m left to repay without interest included, according to the clubs financials on the official website.

Happy to post the links providing this information I found on another site if anyone wants to take a look at why we seem stingy, but really we've spent more than the likes of Chelsea, Liverpool & Arsenal as of our last financial results across the last decade

Fantastic insight. Thanks for this ?

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