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The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

thekneaf

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24 is a bit late but i don't think it would be the end of the world if he were to spend the next couple of seasons out on loan, by which point he'd still only be 22 - so roughly at the point where kwp is now.

I think lingard said that Ferguson told him when he was 15 that he'd be 22 before he'd be ready for first team due to his size. Told him not to lose heart when his bigger peers where getting minutes from 19 onwards.

I hope Edwards read that article.
 

Frozen_Waffles

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Bostock’s failure here had nothing to do with early playing time. Our coaches had the idea to try to remodel his game into a box-to-box midfielder Gerrard-type, when in reality his talents were more akin to a floating Silva, Carzola-type, just with a bigger frame.

It was a disaster and it took him years to recover.

Eh? I remember watching Bostock, it was nothing to do with changing roles. He was fully developed at 16, truly a man against boys.

When he made the step up he struggled, his power that he had over everyone else disappeared and he was shown up to be decent technically but not good enough.

Think Dembele at youth level, then take away Dembeles power for senior level and you have Bostock.

At least that's how it appeared to me. I always worry about the big lads who are standing out. Strikers especially, there are loads of strikers who look the business at youth level but generally because of physicality and not talent. When they make the step up they don't make it to the top level.

Plucking one out of the air Cameron Jerome, he was a beast as a youngster, still a decent player but when I watched him for England under 21s I thought he would lead the line for England for years.
 

newbie

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Eh? I remember watching Bostock, it was nothing to do with changing roles. He was fully developed at 16, truly a man against boys.

When he made the step up he struggled, his power that he had over everyone else disappeared and he was shown up to be decent technically but not good enough.

Think Dembele at youth level, then take away Dembeles power for senior level and you have Bostock.

At least that's how it appeared to me. I always worry about the big lads who are standing out. Strikers especially, there are loads of strikers who look the business at youth level but generally because of physicality and not talent. When they make the step up they don't make it to the top level.

Plucking one out of the air Cameron Jerome, he was a beast as a youngster, still a decent player but when I watched him for England under 21s I thought he would lead the line for England for years.

To add suddenly a 18 yrs old has to get an adult mentality, work a lot harder want it more then everyone else, after years of coasting at youth level suddenly it must come as a shock.
 

danielneeds

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Eh? I remember watching Bostock, it was nothing to do with changing roles. He was fully developed at 16, truly a man against boys.

When he made the step up he struggled, his power that he had over everyone else disappeared and he was shown up to be decent technically but not good enough.

Think Dembele at youth level, then take away Dembeles power for senior level and you have Bostock.

At least that's how it appeared to me. I always worry about the big lads who are standing out. Strikers especially, there are loads of strikers who look the business at youth level but generally because of physicality and not talent. When they make the step up they don't make it to the top level.

Plucking one out of the air Cameron Jerome, he was a beast as a youngster, still a decent player but when I watched him for England under 21s I thought he would lead the line for England for years.
I respectfully disagree. He wasn't really a physical player when I watched him for the youth teams. He was elegant and if anything did not use his frame enough.
 

beats1

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I respectfully disagree. He wasn't really a physical player when I watched him for the youth teams. He was elegant and if anything did not use his frame enough.
Indeed, people think because he was tall and strong that's the only reason he did so well so young.

He was a player who relied on technique rather than using his strength same for Onomah.

I don't think Bostock ever mentally adapted to his role and instead would be pigeonholed because of his natural attributes by managers imo
 

guru

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I think the problem with Marcus judged on today he has the same issues that he had as a youth team player - he struggles to get involved in games - he has a poor awareness of space and his movement to me has always been a question and watching today's game I saw exactly the same. I think given his role in a team he has to be a special player because he offers very little defensively so his contribution at the other end has to be special and though yes he can dribble his end product was always questionable neither enough goals or poor decision making.

I think Kyle is different he was an outstanding youth team player and has made a decent impact when playing for the first team - I think he would undoubtedly benefit from more first team experience but he is not far away in my opinion.

Shash is little like Edwards a fun player to watch but again he is small and has to find a role in a team , which effectively will be an old fashioned 10 is he good enough to fill that role in a top side I am not certain but I think what he has done in finding a loan for himself and seemingly making a decent impact is a good sign for the kid

Saying that about both Edwards and Shash they perhaps need to look at Lameiras who in many ways had a similar skill set to them and is carving out a decent reputation at Plymouth


Roles I can't really comment on for a few reasons
Have you not seen enough of Roles to comment ?
 

@Bobby__Lucky

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I believe that a few of them will be out of contract soon . Tanganga , marsh, Duncan Reynolds , Thorpe and Roles

Roles absolutely has to be given a chance in the first team. It's amazing he's never been a sub afaiaa. Maybe attacking players it's harder for but I'm rooting for this lad.
 

coys200

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I don’t think the signs are good for Roles. I’ve never seen him train with 1st squad and if he couldn’t get a look in with this attacking injury crisis when will he ever. In reality he is competing with dele eriksen Son lamela moura and for however decent he’s been this season he’s nowhere near that quality. Added to the fact I could see us buying someone like Clarke from Leeds to be 6th choice AM/winger next season.
 

C0YS

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After Kane who has/is having the best career?

Smith imo
Not sure about that.

I would say Townsend and probably Bentaleb are having better careers. Smith is a good PL fullback. Townsend has been capped for England and has become a key player for crystal palace. So I would say he edges it.

For Bentaleb also because he has played at a world cup and established himself as a starter at Tottenham and shalke, both bigger clubs than Bournemouth. Bentaleb is three years younger as well.

Most have actually done pretty well in that list, however, with almost all of the top 10 playing a substantial amount of top division football, and 6 of them full internationals (including the Asian cup golden ball winner and the world cup golden boot winner).
 

@Bobby__Lucky

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Blake Griffin

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was sure that when he signed it was reported as a three year deal, only reference i can find of it is here though -

https://cartilagefreecaptain.sbnati...rumors-jack-roles-professional-contract-spurs

lilywhite is rarely wrong though so i'll take his word for it, he's also adamant that it's spurs yet to offer an extension rather than roles not signing. i remember windy a while back saying he isn't that highly rated at the club and at the time i could kind of understand it but it's hard to believe he hasn't at the very least won himself some more time given the season he's having.
 
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