Ghost Hardware
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I would be happy with this stance if I actually believed we could buy serious quality.
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Fredo
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The only reason we are here now is because of Poch and his miracles lol, if it was a different manager I can't see revelations like Kane, Alli, Son etc. We would still have Chadli down the wing. It's been lucky so far in terms of transfer dealings, he's managed to do great with what he's worked with. Now the step is required to build on the players we got. I'm not content with selling our best and replacing with adequate players, that should be standard protocol for a top club. Need to build on the great players we've got.
Problem is here is that Poch wins either way: If he has his high profile targets and Levy doesn't deliver, if it all goes tits up then Levy gets the blame. If Levy does deliver on the targets then Poch has what he wants. Seems like the power (in terms of transfers at least) is firmly in Poch's hands, and if that doesn't work financially for the club, no progress is going to be made in that area for the time being.
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There was a post that Breezer made recently which was bang on to me, I'll try and find it brb
Edit: Back, Breezer said this which I'm 99.9% sure is opinion and not ITK but I agree with it and furthers your point:
Listen Poch has DL by his little bollocks. He’s obviously given DL his list of players and it seems we’re unable to attain those players.
Poch has been offered alternatives to which he’s stating he’d rather not sign as he’s happy with the squad. I’m sure he’s not but he’s being stubborn and showing DL that he needs to sign the players he has asked for and not a player that’s 5th option.
Now who looks the bad one from all this? 99% of fans will say DL is not backing Poch with the players he wants. It’s a win win for Poch. Either DL coughs up and brings in players Poch likes or come summer Poch says Utd are calling and you’re not doing enough to keep me.
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Just imagine DL doesn’t sign another player in Jan or next summer. The outrage from the fans would be insane! Poch knows eventually DL will have to deliver a player he really wants. However if we fall short of CL this season it’s going to be squeaky bum time regarding transfers in the summer.
WiganSpur
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I've heard this Poch rejecting players stuff a few times now so unless it's a deliberate leak from the club to deflect criticism away from the board then there might be something in it.
There has to still be players out there that have been or are willing to come on Poch's list. If all of his list had moved elsewhere or had made it known in no uncertain terms that they weren't interested, then surely Poch would have moved on and would encourage alternatives. He surely would prefer some players over ones like Llorente, Wanyama, GKN (players he's currently using but we all know he doesn't really want anymore).
Therefore, I suspect there are players that want to come here that he would like but Levy thinks they're too expensive, rightly or wrongly. It seems like Poch is rejecting all alternatives in attempt to pile pressure on Levy. He knows the fans will take it out on Levy and he's hoping he will buckle and spend the mega bucks. At the minute it seems Levy is standing firm.
What's difficult to know is how reasonable/unreasonable Poch's targets are price/wages wise. We don't know if Levy is just being a tight arse or if the prices we're been quoted are genuinely crazy.
There has to still be players out there that have been or are willing to come on Poch's list. If all of his list had moved elsewhere or had made it known in no uncertain terms that they weren't interested, then surely Poch would have moved on and would encourage alternatives. He surely would prefer some players over ones like Llorente, Wanyama, GKN (players he's currently using but we all know he doesn't really want anymore).
Therefore, I suspect there are players that want to come here that he would like but Levy thinks they're too expensive, rightly or wrongly. It seems like Poch is rejecting all alternatives in attempt to pile pressure on Levy. He knows the fans will take it out on Levy and he's hoping he will buckle and spend the mega bucks. At the minute it seems Levy is standing firm.
What's difficult to know is how reasonable/unreasonable Poch's targets are price/wages wise. We don't know if Levy is just being a tight arse or if the prices we're been quoted are genuinely crazy.
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Westmorlandspur
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Last season Klopp admitted that he did not really rate Salah and the scouts actually persuaded him to agree to the signing .
Ferguson had to be convinced by Eric Steele Man U goalie coach..that De Gea could do it in Premier League.
Poch needs to take notice of those whose job it is to find these players.
Venables was a top coach but some of his buys were a joke. Gascoigne was an exception but anyone could see he was the best player in the country. Same goes for Lineker.
Mouse!
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We had 150m to spend in the summer. If we don’t spend this window, we’ll have 50m in the next.
tony0379
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They'll find some other bullshit excuse in the summer
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We’ll spend in the summer, we’ll have the Eriksen and Toby money. Seems like it’s gonna have to stretch pretty far though
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The whole "100m" warchest thing is rubbish. It's not like we have a fixed amount to spend.
Whoever we sign has to fit within our wage structure but it's not like we could afford to pay £60m for a player but drop out if he cost £70m because we couldn't afford it. It might be that we don't value him highly enough to spend £70m but that's a different story to not being able to. Also remember that £70m is not £70m upfront and how the deal is structured plays a huge part too.
If the right player is available, we'd buy him regardless of the cost.
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Every manager in the league probably wants to buy players that are out of their price range - He has a choice to either go for players that are within our budget, or just keep going with what we've got. At the moment he seems happy with what we have.
I get the impression that it's Poch who doesn't want to spend 70% of the budget on one player. If we're after players with contracts that are running down then he may feel that we can get better value for money in the summer and better value could be the difference between just getting one of his top targets, or getting two.
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Why we struggle to sign Grealish who we were clearly interested in the summer.
Just a heads up for anybody who listens to the 'fighting cock' podcast, it's well worth listening to their latest; an interview with football lawyer Daniel Geey.
Lots of informative stuff on how transfers happen.
wrd
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Pointless for us then.
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Grealish wasn't worth anywhere near the £40 odd million they reportedly asked for. I think Levy would have no problem spending big money on a player if he feels it's value for money, like we were supposedly willing to do for De Jong, but he's not going to pay twice the value for a player. And he shouldn't either.
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doctor stefan Freud
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Grealish for 40 million is like saying my todge puts my nuts in the shade: both laughable claims
Kalim
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The budget is not what we spend buying a player but most probably what we can spend in total ie. Inclusive of his contract (wages).
gavspur
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How does this apply, for example, with a deal like Rabiot and possibly Isco/Eriksen? In that, we will pay a much less transfer fee (in instalments or whatever way, but total) so the player wants a bigger wage, will we offset the fee difference and re-adjust the wage to fit?
I’m pretty sure money talks for these guys, and I’d like to think we’re an attractive prospect, so for all the ‘turning us down’ we must not be willing to pay the wages, when we’ve already saved millions on the actual fee.
Same with Isco/Eriksen. If Madrid want Eriksen, we say ‘ok, he’s worth £?millions? Or, you can have him for ?£80mill with Isco coming our way?’
So we make a huge profit on the transfer fees of Eriksen still, get Isco in for the difference in our valuation. We’ve apparently offered Eriksen a BIG deal here, so give that offer to Isco, and we don’t lose out, I’d even say that would be a good deal for us, very good. That certainly allows us to get both Rabiot and Isco in, AND make a profit, even though they’re up there with Dele on their contract.
Not questioning your post Rob, just inquisitive for your knowledge on the matter. I think there are a lot of confused fans at the moment, that can’t make head nor tail of the situation we find ourselves in.
I for one, would certainly consider the above option of Eriksen out, for both Rabiot and Isco in, and turn a profit.
Thanks in advance
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