shelfboy68
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Got to try and do something to cheer it up after last night
It's so depressing being a Spurs fan...
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Ossie'sAardvark
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Cricket thread is always a happy…...
double0
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I don’t care what some might say ENIC imo has moved this club forward, there’s physical evidence in the training ground and stadium, both state of the arts. The Squad also isn’t bad.
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I think it’s a very good time to be a Spurs fan but I can understand the frustration. Over the years we’ve often fallen short or been on the wrong side of variance.
Examples that come to mind include -Lasagna-gate
Finishing 4th and being demoted due to Chelsea winning the Champions League
Losing the semi to Portsmouth
Losing to Juve last year when we were leading and the better team
Current injury crisis during a critical time of the season (I take on board that we could have bought in the summer but with that in mind it’s still a hell of an injury crisis, primarily in one area of the pitch)
Mendes at Utd (think I’m scraping the barrel of my mind dump now)
I’m certainly enjoying Spurs right now and optimistic but do feel like it would be nice if variance tilted in our direction on the odd occasion.
Examples that come to mind include -Lasagna-gate
Finishing 4th and being demoted due to Chelsea winning the Champions League
Losing the semi to Portsmouth
Losing to Juve last year when we were leading and the better team
Current injury crisis during a critical time of the season (I take on board that we could have bought in the summer but with that in mind it’s still a hell of an injury crisis, primarily in one area of the pitch)
Mendes at Utd (think I’m scraping the barrel of my mind dump now)
I’m certainly enjoying Spurs right now and optimistic but do feel like it would be nice if variance tilted in our direction on the odd occasion.
SpursDave88
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Surely it’s clear it’s an investment designed to produce a return. Same with all football clubs.
But this can be achieved in different ways and sometimes the return is cash as with spurs and Arsenal.
Sometimes it’s reputation laundering as with City and Chelsea.
And sometimes it’s about capital appreciation as with united and Liverpool.
Of course there are different ways of getting a return...some require a modicum of success...some require world domination and some are simply asset sweating and stripping like Southampton and Newcastle.
double0
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I’m sure it will tip in our favour ... because we’re competing , we have to carry on and keep pace .
Love being a spurs fan. And have been through alot worse times than this. COYS.Discuss.
'O Zio
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First of all, I don't think anyone is under the illusion that ENIC want what's best for Spurs no matter what. Obviously first and foremost they have their own interests in mind, but that's not the same thing as actively trying to milk the club dry or something like owners of other clubs have done. By and large, they're good owners and we've come a long way under them.
Secondly, the thread just conveniently glosses over some key details. For example, it makes the classic "mistake"/manipulation of facts by taking transfer spend in isolation rather than looking at the whole picture. OK so Palace have had more net spend on transfers, but if you look at spend overall i.e. including long term projects like the stadium, training facilities etc. then we've obviously spent significantly more than the figures quoted. If we've spent 100m on transfers and 1bn on the stadium/facilities, then that's more than spending 300m on transfers and 100m on improving your stadium so it's a stupid argument to then say "Well let's just ignore that and look at the transfers so club B has spent 300m and Spurs only 100m" that's just ridiculous.
Also not really sure what point they're trying to make about ENIC not investing their own money. IF the club is able to finance itself and pay for the stadium itself then why on earth would they put their own money into it? Who does that in any business? Obviously sometimes there are instances where a business needs a cash injection, but if the business is self-sustaining then why would the owners put their own personal funds into it for no reason? If e.g. Microsoft need to buy some new computers, Bill Gates doesn't dip into his personal bank account and splash out on computers for Microsoft, the company buys the computers for itself.
freeeki
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Did you miss the bit where I said "our squad"?
freeeki
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Since you asked...
Your post crudely conflated the adjective "depressing", with the illness "depression".
The former means "causing or resulting in a feeling of miserable dejection", it does not mean "inducing clinical depression", and conflating the two is crass at best, or moronic at worst, take your pick.
I assumed the former, hence my "wtf" rating. As in, "wtf, is this douchebag for real?".
Also I enjoy the fact that you chose to single my rating out ahead of anyone else's responses to your posts, and complemented it with the word "FABULOOUS" (sic) in block caps.
Once you've got your head around "depressing", we'll make a start on "thinly-veiled homophobia", if you like?
Peck head.
I have been going to spurs since 1951 and have seen us win every trophy we have won except two (even I am not old enough to have seen the 1901 / 1921 cup wins) .
I have seen the good bad and average and can say that if you don't appreciate what we are achieving now the you need to switch your allegiances to a money rich club that can almost guarantee silverware.
I have so much pride in this club at the moment that I am offended by people that seem to think we should be winning trophies almost every year.
City;Liverpool:Chelsea:ManUnt:and yes Arsenal are regular winners and we are amongst the rest of the 87 clubs left to fight it out .
I can see us breaking that cartel with the xtra revenue and new sponsorship money in the future but patience is needed and those that have been long time supporters have by definition plenty of patience.
My guess is that it is the relatively new supporters that seem to "want it now".
But I urge them to keep the faith and trust Levy and Poch we will get there and it will be the sweeter because it will be organic by that I mean spend the money we asa club generate and not funded by some oligarch or oil shiek .
I see we are the tenth richest by turnover in the football world and someone pointed out that Juventus were below us but spent £100 million on a player and that is my point these rich clubs don't have to balance books they just let the owners write off that debt or create new share issues and they also sponsor there clubs via companies that they own at inflated prices .
In trouble with FFP just sponsor a toilet brush for £50 million a year .Extreme but you get my point.
So the impatient ones will have to switch allegiance to a mega rich club with almost certain silverware or stick with it and show some gumption and have faith.
I have seen the good bad and average and can say that if you don't appreciate what we are achieving now the you need to switch your allegiances to a money rich club that can almost guarantee silverware.
I have so much pride in this club at the moment that I am offended by people that seem to think we should be winning trophies almost every year.
City;Liverpool:Chelsea:ManUnt:and yes Arsenal are regular winners and we are amongst the rest of the 87 clubs left to fight it out .
I can see us breaking that cartel with the xtra revenue and new sponsorship money in the future but patience is needed and those that have been long time supporters have by definition plenty of patience.
My guess is that it is the relatively new supporters that seem to "want it now".
But I urge them to keep the faith and trust Levy and Poch we will get there and it will be the sweeter because it will be organic by that I mean spend the money we asa club generate and not funded by some oligarch or oil shiek .
I see we are the tenth richest by turnover in the football world and someone pointed out that Juventus were below us but spent £100 million on a player and that is my point these rich clubs don't have to balance books they just let the owners write off that debt or create new share issues and they also sponsor there clubs via companies that they own at inflated prices .
In trouble with FFP just sponsor a toilet brush for £50 million a year .Extreme but you get my point.
So the impatient ones will have to switch allegiance to a mega rich club with almost certain silverware or stick with it and show some gumption and have faith.
alamo
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Of course not mate, but it was you who chose to interpret my initial post as being squad related and so worded a snide reply accordingly.
By saying I believe we are on the verge of something special I mean that - being 44 - I have been witness to some appalling dross and stagnation over the years. As such I have found the recent upturn/progression under ENIC/Levy to be rather refreshing and something to be positive about. Our improvement in quality, regular CL qualification, fantastic new training ground, unbelievable stadium, young/respected squad, coveted manager...... all are things for which I am thankful for and far from depressed about. And a semi final defeat - whilst painful - doesn't change that.
Just my opinion.
hellava_tough
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I'd say the last 12months have been more 'irritating' than anything else.
Even on our best days, we're fighting an up hill battle against vastly wealthy rivals (City are owned by a country for crying out loud!!), but in recent times we've had to compete with a move of stadium, a stadium build, problems in player recruitment, a hostile media, the World Cup ruining pre-season preparation and a ludicrous injury crisis.
It's annoying, but it's just a phase we have to grind through.
For me (and Levy) CL qualification is the main objective until we're in the new stadium. The secondary objective is securing a decent naming rights package. If these two things are achieved we can plan our finances for decades to come and then compete much better on the pitch for decades to come.
Just need to be patient.
Even on our best days, we're fighting an up hill battle against vastly wealthy rivals (City are owned by a country for crying out loud!!), but in recent times we've had to compete with a move of stadium, a stadium build, problems in player recruitment, a hostile media, the World Cup ruining pre-season preparation and a ludicrous injury crisis.
It's annoying, but it's just a phase we have to grind through.
For me (and Levy) CL qualification is the main objective until we're in the new stadium. The secondary objective is securing a decent naming rights package. If these two things are achieved we can plan our finances for decades to come and then compete much better on the pitch for decades to come.
Just need to be patient.
rez9000
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NOTE - I wrote this before reading the rest of the thread.
No, it's not depressing being a Spurs fan. Dear Lord, go back to the 90s - those were dark times
There's a difference between being depressed by Spurs as a whole and being depressed at a problem that we have at the moment. At the moment, we seem to be having issues cresting a particular hill - winning a trophy. That may be irritating, upsetting, even a little depressing, but it doesn't mean that the state of the club is cause for feeling depressed.
If the question had been 'It's so depressing being a Spurs fan today', then maybe the answer would have been 'yes'. The result last night was painful. But a single result is not an encapsulation of the state of the club as a whole. That's like saying that your car is a write-off because you have one flat tyre.
No, it's not depressing being a Spurs fan. Dear Lord, go back to the 90s - those were dark times
There's a difference between being depressed by Spurs as a whole and being depressed at a problem that we have at the moment. At the moment, we seem to be having issues cresting a particular hill - winning a trophy. That may be irritating, upsetting, even a little depressing, but it doesn't mean that the state of the club is cause for feeling depressed.
If the question had been 'It's so depressing being a Spurs fan today', then maybe the answer would have been 'yes'. The result last night was painful. But a single result is not an encapsulation of the state of the club as a whole. That's like saying that your car is a write-off because you have one flat tyre.
They’re about to lose the best manager we’ve had in years and much of the best squad we’ve had in years too. We should have a bright future with all thats going on but alas.
That stadium will be sure be brilliant with EL every season again though. ENIC have got to go if we want any hope of moving forward.
Cricket thread is always a happy…...
Really? - after that abysmal innings?
