The Mauricio Pochettino thread

JCRD said:

I take your entire point and somewhat agree with the majority of it but that bolded bit is interesting... didnt we say that last season?

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vegassd said:

Remember that if your view is different to AYC's it must be because you are stupid and you don't understand enough about money! He's laid it out fairly clearly in previous posts.

I do find it funny the amount of "Poch is sending a message to Levy" notions that we get in here. It's as if some people can't imagine Poch & Levy having regular meetings together or ever speaking on the phone. He's giving as honest an answer as possible to the press without giving away any sordid details.

If he is talking about how tough it's been the past five years and how things will have to change for the next five it might just suggest at there having been a ten year plan when he was recruited. If our on-pitch achievements are running ahead of the plan that's great... but it doesn't mean you have to create a new plan and risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's been almost 60 years since we last won the league... have a bit of patience everyone.

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vegassd said:

Do you think that Poch only just realised today that money would need to be spent to win the league? Of course not.

When Spurs hired him and his team it would not have been on a whim. There would have been a plan in place including performance targets and spending constraints. This will happen for almost all manager appointments I would imagine, but in our case it would have had the stadium build included in the timeline.

So Spurs ask him that for the first five years whilst they build the stadium, does he feel capable of building a team to get CL once it opens, given the spending constraints.

In the next five years I imagine they asked if he can build a team to win the league. What sort of money might be required. What else does he feel would be needed.

All of this will have been planned and financially forecast way in advance. The club’s budget is in the hundreds of millions so they aren’t running the show from one day to another.

Now it turns out Poch is better than we could have hoped and has the team way ahead of this plan. So what should the club do? Stick to the plan or throw caution to the wind and potentially rock the boat? A lot of us fans would love the gung-ho approach but I don’t think it would be prudent.

Poch is a pro, as is Levy. They aren’t sending each other messages through the press. They aren’t making up the budget every Monday morning. They’ve formed plans together with input from both sides... it’s how organisations function.

The reason that Poch says this stuff in press outings is because he gets asked about spending and trophies all the time. What else is he meant to say?

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Shadydan said:

Dude I think you're missing the point about how a stat is meant to work. Stats are taken in isolation and focuses on the main point being made, so how much we spent on infrastructure is irrelevant because the stat is about transfer spend not what you have interpreted what we've spent and where. There is literally no other context to remove it from because it's about transfer spend, you don't need to bring other factors in because it totally misses the original point.

And whether it's true or not - I don't think it's true anyway, I think he's probably referring to the league - I saw a stat saying that we have the lowest net spend in the last 5 years or something like that.

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am_yisrael_chai said:

Not to pick on you but I think this post best sums up what I'd really like to believe about the situation at our club. My negativity stems from the fact that I know that our owners are trying to sell the club which suggests that rather than the stadium being a staging post towards greater cash being available for the playing squad it is just a milestone to a sale for our owners. If, as I suspect, the sale doesn't go through then the logical conclusion is that ENIC will extract their economics in the way that the Glazers have done by leveraging the club and paying themselves dividends. I desperately hope I'm wrong and that ENIC are intending to hang around and see this project through.

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mark_2017 said:

I've printed off the article and taped it to my United supporting boss's computer screen while he is at lunch.

And now we play the waiting game...

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teok said:

Any updates?

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JCRD said:

I take your entire point and somewhat agree with the majority of it but that bolded bit is interesting... didnt we say that last season?

I personally feel that this summer is a real crossroads for us and for Poch... if Poch leaves (I dont think he will by the way) then we will be in trouble because its a signal that we dont have the cash to sustain and progress from this position. I think Poch has seen what Liverscum has done this season and wants some of that, we started at a higher base than liverscum and Poch started this project before Klopp did. Now we dont know if Liverscum will win the league but i suspect it would grate Poch a great deal.

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LeParisien said:

I think this shop has sailed but I wanted to add that it is the wider implications that are up for debate. You might be right about the specific but you cannot généralise beyond that specific point.



Every club is for sale at the right price. You might have some knowledge that ENIC are currently actively looking for a buyer that hasn’t become public knowledge yet - I don’t know. Levy himself has spoken about simply being a custodian of the club. I personally doubt that anyone would meet ENICs valuation of the club right now.

If you have a fear then your position should be apportioned to the strength of the evidence. Very often it is as though there is some immediate impending disaster that everyone is blind to. As though our position in the league and performances are a mirage. That our investment for the long term is a trick.

Basically, the picture is mixed and so your viewpoint should be obviously nuanced. Too often it does not come across that way.

Don’t want to lecture ! I appreciate much of what you say and the debate is good.

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am_yisrael_chai said:

I’ve got to commend you on your ability to constantly see the positive Levy aspect in anything that happens. If as you suggest Poch and Levy are on the same page then why do you suggest he made these comments to the press ? To tell everyone just how well they get on and that at their last meeting they agreed things would change ? Is that why he quoted the European transfer league stat with Spurs at the bottom because he is ecstatic with that and he was celebrating it with Levy at their last meeting ?

I think you should reach out to 10 Downing Street because they really need your type of skills.

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Flashspur said:

Just rinse and repeat the last 12 pages of this thread with more venom when Real sack Solari in a few months.

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vegassd said:

Did we say it last summer? I suppose we have all been saying similar things for the past 20-odd years in one way or another!

The big difference maker for me is the timing of the stadium. Poch mentioned the idea of CL in the new stadium as part of the challenge put in front of him when he was offered the job. That plan is going to have pre-stadium and post-stadium sections to it, both of which will have been discussed and forecast to see what is going to be achievable long-term and what needs to be done along the way. That would be the big difference I see between this season and last.

I agree that this summer will be a very telling period - assuming that we're in the stadium and the CL. I don't think it's a case of £300m or bust, but another barren transfer window would feel very debilitating. But I don't think any of this is a surprise to Poch.

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Gb160 said:

Can see Jose back there personally...Perez wants him apparently.

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Gb160 said:

Can see Jose back there personally...Perez wants him apparently.

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Chris Finch said:

So Poch not a fan of var at all! Interesting

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mark_2017 said:

Screwed it up and threw it in the bin.

"He's still coming to us"

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Chris Finch said:

So Poch not a fan of var at all! Interesting

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am_yisrael_chai said:

Not to pick on you but I think this post best sums up what I'd really like to believe about the situation at our club. My negativity stems from the fact that I know that our owners are trying to sell the club which suggests that rather than the stadium being a staging post towards greater cash being available for the playing squad it is just a milestone to a sale for our owners. If, as I suspect, the sale doesn't go through then the logical conclusion is that ENIC will extract their economics in the way that the Glazers have done by leveraging the club and paying themselves dividends. I desperately hope I'm wrong and that ENIC are intending to hang around and see this project through.

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Flashspur said:

I think the Poch to United stuff is a storm in a tea cup. My bet is OGS keeps the job.

Just rinse and repeat the last 12 pages of this thread with more venom when Real sack Solari in a few months. So relax for now chaps. Winter is coming LOL.

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