The Mauricio Pochettino thread

Shadydan · Jan 7, 2019

StevePil said:
Poch aint sticking around in the summer, he has come out twice now and told Levy he needs to change the ways.
Yes he has also said he wants to win titles with spurs but if man utd come knocking in the summer, he goes.

Oh do shut up

Danny B · Jan 7, 2019

Gb160 said:
Forgive my ignorance here, but what is the point in one set of comments being embargoed?
What purpose does it serve when its only for a few hours?

Good question. At one time, it was to protect the integrity of print but as digital has become pre-eminent a compromise has been reached to give websites a spike in traffic at a time when numbers tend to fall. I've always felt it was a case of turkeys voting for Christmas, however, since you are wilfully diminishing the potential for print sales. There's always the chance that someone won't abide by the embargo, though, so (I believe) the compromise was struck to prevent that happening again.

St José Dominguez · Jan 7, 2019

Poch doesn’t want to block youth players routes into the squad with dross. We’ve clearly reached a point where our aims in terms of player are extremely high. If Poch’s wants are high end footballers then I’m sure there’s patience from his side if we can’t get deals done - hell of a lot harder buying those than squad fillers. However if he feels that proper efforts aren’t being put in this window or next to bring in the one or two players he’s given thumbs up to then it may cause issues.

It isn’t about Levy chucking some money at the market, Poch isn’t that type of manager. As he said on bt sports he loves bringing youth through and he’d much rather do that as opposed to just buying and buying till it works. I don’t see what he’s saying as some back me or I walk statement, I just think he’s talking about how things need to develop into over the coming years. More I hear him recently the more certain I am he’ll be here next season.

Metalhead · Jan 7, 2019

buckley said:
As a supporter since 1951 I have been at or watched on tv all but two of our major trophies and for me it is not cup finals that I mostly remember it is individual matches that are imbeded in my memory for ever.
If you were to ask me about the six FA cup finals I have been to or the four league cup finals I have been to or indeed any final in three europewins we had and the two league titles .I can honestly say most of the finals pass me by in terms of memory except the Man City replay and the Chelsea league cup win .
The 1951 league win I was 7 years old and don't remember much but of course 1961 league win is almost like yesterday .
What I remember most is certain matches I was at like 13-2 against crewe and how Tommy Harmer seemed to glide over the muddiest pitch you could see. Bills first game against Everton 10-2.
The battle of Britain in the sixties Spurs5 Rangers2.
In the same era 5-0 verse Sunderland.
In 1953 the cup semi final against eventual winners Blackpool when Bailly was injured and played on the wing ;no subs then.
The Gornik match.
The Milan game when Perryman scored two goals.
The Bale game verses Inter Milan.
The night we beat Bayern Munich in the euro cup.
The win against Real Madrid .
The Gazza semi final against Arsenal.
There are many many more individual match memories imbeded in my brain and this is a roundabout way of saying that Danny Blanchflower was right because all these games and many more had a smell of glory about them and they will stay with me till the day I die.
All the finals we were in were mostly forgettable.
And so for me lets keep getting to the top four and pile on the memories because any cup wins will take care of themselves.
My sons to this day say that having seen one FA cup win and two league cup wins that the best day of their lives was the semi final where Gazza scored that free kick..
The game is about glory not silverware

I agree up to a point - many of the results that stick in the memory didn't result in us winning silverware but I can't accept that silverware is secondary to or mutually exclusive to glory. I'm happy with where we are going but if I thought that the club were anything other than determined in its pursuit of silverware then I would be very concerned. Actually, much as the Gazza semi was fantastic I will never forget the emotion of the final and the jubilation of the team fighting on without Gazza and lifting the cup. I want more of that.

vegassd · Jan 7, 2019

Vinny_Sammways_left_peg said:
Get out of our club, eh?

Transfer window must be open.

Remember that if your view is different to AYC's it must be because you are stupid and you don't understand enough about money! He's laid it out fairly clearly in previous posts.

I do find it funny the amount of "Poch is sending a message to Levy" notions that we get in here. It's as if some people can't imagine Poch & Levy having regular meetings together or ever speaking on the phone. He's giving as honest an answer as possible to the press without giving away any sordid details.

If he is talking about how tough it's been the past five years and how things will have to change for the next five it might just suggest at there having been a ten year plan when he was recruited. If our on-pitch achievements are running ahead of the plan that's great... but it doesn't mean you have to create a new plan and risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's been almost 60 years since we last won the league... have a bit of patience everyone.

Saoirse · Jan 7, 2019

Danny B said:
Good question. At one time, it was to protect the integrity of print but as digital has become pre-eminent a compromise has been reached to give websites a spike in traffic at a time when numbers tend to fall. I've always felt it was a case of turkeys voting for Christmas, however, since you are wilfully diminishing the potential for print sales. There's always the chance that someone won't abide by the embargo, though, so (I believe) the compromise was struck to prevent that happening again.

To be honest I think print sales are in terminal decline anyway. The younger generations simply do not and will not buy newspapers. You'd imagine long-term that success for the industry will be down to adapting to the online market, not how long you can keep the print one on life support.

Metalhead · Jan 7, 2019

St José Dominguez said:
Poch doesn’t want to block youth players routes into the squad with dross. We’ve clearly reached a point where our aims in terms of player are extremely high. If Poch’s wants are high end footballers then I’m sure there’s patience from his side if we can’t get deals done - hell of a lot harder buying those than squad fillers. However if he feels that proper efforts aren’t being put in this window or next to bring in the one or two players he’s given thumbs up to then it may cause issues.

It isn’t about Levy chucking some money at the market, Poch isn’t that type of manager.

Levy isn't that type of chairman.

Deleted member 27995 · Jan 7, 2019

vegassd said:
Remember that if your view is different to AYC's it must be because you are stupid and you don't understand enough about money! He's laid it out fairly clearly in previous posts.

I'm a big doofus, so I deserve what I get sometimes for my views, that's fine, but I do find it funny that it ramps up while the respective transfer windows are open! :LOL:

Danny B · Jan 7, 2019

Saoirse said:
To be honest I think print sales are in terminal decline anyway. The younger generations simply do not and will not buy newspapers. You'd imagine long-term that success for the industry will be down to adapting to the online market, not how long you can keep the print one on life support.

I agree with that. But there's no question that giving stuff away for free that you once charged for - and still do charge for - has accelerated the decline. The problem is that no-one has, as yet, come up with a sustainable model and the revenue from digital vis-a-vis print is negligible.

doctor stefan Freud · Jan 7, 2019

Shadydan said:
Oh do shut up

Don’t know why but this expression always reminds me of

Saoirse · Jan 7, 2019

Danny B said:
I agree with that. But there's no question that giving stuff away for free that you once charged for - and still do charge for - has accelerated the decline. The problem is that no-one has, as yet, come up with a sustainable model and the revenue from digital vis-a-vis print is negligible.

Yeah - sadly it's pretty hard not to reach the conclusion that the industry isn't sustainable and that we're not going to see as many quality and investigative journalists in the future. The type of people who might subscribe online can generally also get news from sources which don't charge and effectively piggyback off the paid ones, with the added advantage that they can choose those with parrot their own ideological beliefs very easily. Controversially I think we might end up with more emphasis on state-sponsored investigative journalism through some non-broadcast equivalent of stuff like Newsnight and Panorama, I can't see how else it really survives despite being of clear value.

tommyt · Jan 7, 2019

Interested point from the press conference when Poch reiterates his role was to get Spurs in the top 4 for entering the new stadium.

He says this is what Levy and Joe Lewis wanted.

They didn't state they wanted to be challenging for the title.

My take is that Poch feels he has met his targets and then some and if Levy and Joe Lewis want him to challenge for the title then they to change his objectives and provide him with the tools to do so.

scat1620 · Jan 7, 2019

vegassd said:
There's a plan in place and as much as you might hate it that's how the board are going to progress with things.

It's not my concerns with the board's spending plans that worries me; it's the plainly-stated concerns that our superstar manager raised about those plans today that does.

Kilkenny Cat · Jan 7, 2019

Danny B said:
I agree with that. But there's no question that giving stuff away for free that you once charged for - and still do charge for - has accelerated the decline. The problem is that no-one has, as yet, come up with a sustainable model and the revenue from digital vis-a-vis print is negligible.

Exactly. Genie is out of the bottle. It escaped the day that the first paper put stuff online for free. There is no way back, alas.

dagraham · Jan 7, 2019

tommyt said:
Interested point from the press conference when Poch reiterates his role was to get Spurs in the top 4 for entering the new stadium.

He says this is what Levy and Joe Lewis wanted.

They didn't state they wanted to be challenging for the title.

My take is that Poch feels he has met his targets and then some and if Levy and Joe Lewis want him to challenge for the title then they to change his objectives and provide him with the tools to do so.

Yeah that pretty much sums it up for me.

I think it comes down to 3 things :

1) does he really believe that our approach will change?
2) if so, how long will he have to wait?
3) if he’s pretty certain of the first two, then is he prepared to wait for it?

BringBack_leGin · Jan 7, 2019

Monkey boy said:
It’s as clear as day just as his being brave quotes were but I’m sure the Levy apologists will make up some notion that what he is saying actually means something completely different.

That would imply he has something to apologise for. Unless I’m mistaken, and he pissed on your wife while rogering your cat and running over your cereal, he hasn’t.

shelfboy68 · Jan 7, 2019

dagraham said:
Yeah that pretty much sums it up for me.

I think it comes down to 3 things :

1) does he really believe that our approach will change?
2) if so, how long will he have to wait?
3) if he’s pretty certain of the first two, then is he prepared to wait for it?

Not sure but he might be using all the Utd talk as leverage in case they don't match his ambition or wants then he would have his reasons for leaving, having said that I personally don't think he will go and I really hope he gets what he wants.

tommyt · Jan 7, 2019

BBC News - Mauricio Pochettino: Tottenham manager says club must 'operate in different way'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46787600

jurgen · Jan 7, 2019

Same as with his point about trophies. As long as the CL money keeps coming in to pay off the stadium, the board don't care whether we win anything or not and Poch is obviously safe as houses.

I imagine once the stadium gets going and making bigger bucks, the arguments for funnelling all the money away from player recruitment get a bit more difficult to make. Not sure it will change things as much as people think though...

Tucker · Jan 7, 2019

tommyt said:
BBC News - Mauricio Pochettino: Tottenham manager says club must 'operate in different way'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46787600

I came on here to post that, I thought it was pretty positive. He talks about the next steps and how Levy and Lewis told him the main aims would be CL for the new stadium then they would be pushing on to challenge for things.

Sounded like Poch wants to be part of that tbh.

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