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George94

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I don’t think the ITK we’ve had is particularly disheartening in the slightest.

What many people worried about was that we were completely skint and had to sell to buy. If we were willing to do deals for Pulisic and De Jong, who both in their own right are £50m+ players, it shows that we have the money to spend if the player is right.

I'm not sure about that - Ndombele seems like he fits the 'right' type of player, but we won't spend the money required to land him.
 

dudu

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Everyone keeps saying we won't spend the money but unless I'm missing something surely it's not a case of us being stubborn but more a case of us being sensible?
 
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Mr Pink

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I'm not sure about that - Ndombele seems like he fits the 'right' type of player, but we won't spend the money required to land him.

That's a fair point.

I'd be amazed if we couldn't convince the lad to come, by offering the right contract etc, IF we're prepared to stump up the fee to get him.

And i'd be amazed if Poch wasn't interested in this guy.

Just seems like there's an answer or obstacle to everything come our recent transfer dealings.

And generally speaking Poch likes to work with young malleable players, so signing the top stars in their prime might not be as appealing to Poch as we might think.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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I'm not sure about that - Ndombele seems like he fits the 'right' type of player, but we won't spend the money required to land him.
Lyon’s chairman has already said that Ndombele will absolutely not be sold until Summer 2019 at the very earliest.
 

Johnny J

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Still annoyed that we missed out on Sancho, his usurper at Dortmund. That kid is going to be a star. I wish some itk would shed some light as to why it seems we conceded so easily in his pursuit when we sold Walker to city.
I seem to remember ITK that he was keen on us and had visited our facilities (not the toilets) but that City refused to sell to another PL club. Would have been interesting if we'd refused to sell them Walker unless they agreed to Sancho the other way. Probably worth more than Walker now already. I think we'll regret not getting him.
 
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Lyon’s chairman has already said that Ndombele will absolutely not be sold until Summer 2019 at the very earliest.
Ties in with the itk outlook that these players seem happy to wait for the team of their choice to come calling. Good luck trying to convince them that we're a better option than the oil rich or footballing super powers.
 

Metalhead

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That's a fair point.

I'd be amazed if we couldn't convince the lad to come, by offering the right contract etc, IF we're prepared to stump up the fee to get him.

And i'd be amazed if Poch wasn't interested in this guy.

Just seems like there's an answer or obstacle to everything come our recent transfer dealings.

And generally speaking Poch likes to work with young malleable players, so signing the top stars in their prime might not be as appealing to Poch as we might think.
One major problem is the mismatch between the level we are now competing at on the pitch compared to the ability/willingness we are to compete off it (in the transfer market anyway - the new stadium is going to be right up there). The real test for whether ENIC are willing to compete in the market will come after a few seasons when the club has made inroads into the stadium debt and is seeing the benefit of the higher level of stadium income.
 

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Moura wasn't as highly rated at the same age?

That's irrelevant isn't it?

Moura may have been viewed as having as much potential but he hasn't lived up to that. We're assessing their potential now.
 

mike_l

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I seem to remember ITK that he was keen on us and had visited our facilities (not the toilets) but that City refused to sell to another PL club. Would have been interesting if we'd refused to sell them Walker unless they agreed to Sancho the other way. Probably worth more than Walker now already. I think we'll regret not getting him.
To me that's one of the most frustrating occurrences of recent years, regardless of if he'd turned out good or rubbish, just the fact that we got totally bitched about by City in that instance.
 

jurgen

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Surely if we have the money and willingness to spend big on one of these young players we also need to accept they’d come in as a top earner. Pulisic is moving from Dortmund not Southampton. To spend that much would suggest we would see a player as a key one, pretty much straight away.

I fully get the idea of rewarding performances with big contracts but all our best players arrived for relatively small fees and worked their way up, surely it won’t be the same if we are trying for these latest uber-kids.. if you buy into someone at 40-50m or even more, they’re going to expect to be paid like a player that highly rated.
 

jurgen

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I seem to remember ITK that he was keen on us and had visited our facilities (not the toilets) but that City refused to sell to another PL club. Would have been interesting if we'd refused to sell them Walker unless they agreed to Sancho the other way. Probably worth more than Walker now already. I think we'll regret not getting him.

Very poor negotiation when we had an asset they really wanted.
 

SpartanSpur

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That's irrelevant isn't it?

Moura may have been viewed as having as much potential but he hasn't lived up to that. We're assessing their potential now.

You could also argue that signs are there that Pulisic is already starting to drift away from his early potential, especially with Sancho in the spotlight at the same club.

Obviously I'd have gladly taken him over Moura or Lamela, but I also don't think it'd be the best use of £60m and heavy wages for a club that has restricted funds. CM, FB and even possibly ST backup (as we are using 2 up top more) need priority over AM. I guess Eriksen situation could dilute this, although in that case I think we'd need a different profile of player to Pulisic as replacement anyway.

I can accept what JJ is putting forward on the Pulisic front.
 

King of Otters

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Still annoyed that we missed out on Sancho, his usurper at Dortmund. That kid is going to be a star. I wish some itk would shed some light as to why it seems we conceded so easily in his pursuit when we sold Walker to city.

Levy was never going to let a deal for a youth player jeopardise a £50 million transfer for a full back. It looks like a terrible decision in hindsight, but that's the nature of football transfers.
 

Joeyboey

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Levy was never going to let a deal for a youth player jeopardise a £50 million transfer for a full back. It looks like a terrible decision in hindsight, but that's the nature of football transfers.

You’re right. I know someone very close to Sancho and he was never going to move to us so we can nip all that talk in the bud (as this also isn’t the place for it). Fair play to Levy for getting the best deal possible for a Walker.
 

SpartanSpur

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You’re right. I know someone very close to Sancho and he was never going to move to us so we can nip all that talk in the bud (as this also isn’t the place for it). Fair play to Levy for getting the best deal possible for a Walker.

That certainly eases the pain of missed opportunity if so. Worth celebrating if he was thinking of Arsenal instead!
 

Metalhead

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I seem to remember ITK that he was keen on us and had visited our facilities (not the toilets) but that City refused to sell to another PL club. Would have been interesting if we'd refused to sell them Walker unless they agreed to Sancho the other way. Probably worth more than Walker now already. I think we'll regret not getting him.

Very poor negotiation when we had an asset they really wanted.

Do you think that he should have been shown the toilets?
 
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