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F_AN2CE

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Playing the devils advocate:

From that video it is obvious that the editor for once chose a piece of music that compliments the edit and doesn't bother this viewer.

On the footballing side I only counted 3 clips where he had a one-touch pass though in one of them he had 2 in a row - that was not a defensive action - which is not alot for a YouTube highlight reel. Just following the 4 count while watching, it was mostly 1-2s always to his right foot, I don't recall seeing him using the left once...? so 2-3-4-5 touches or a run to his right foot would be my scouting report.

After Sissokkos newfound self, the forward runs don't look scary at all.

But I am not a scout or the Devils advocate and think he will only grow and learn exponentially with gametime - as well as from watching CE on the trainingpitch regarding forward distribution. He's got all the tools except a left foot in my book.
 

Reece

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He is deceptively agile and quick at dribbling, along with having the right picture in his mind of how to work the space around him.

Not the finished article clearly, but will be a top premier league player IMO. How high up the ladder that goes - whether that's a strong 5th / 6th / 7th place team or a league winner - I'm not sure. But I certainly like the lad.

Just hope he can stay injury free for the next couple of years.

I can't see us having the money to go out and get TWO top quality CMs to displace him. If we buy one top quality CM I think he'll start alongside that signing given Wanyama & Dembele's ongoing troubles.
 

dtxspurs

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He has the potential to be better IMO and in some ways is similar. He is also in some ways similar to Modric with his ability to find space and make himself available.
This is a pretty basic feature of playing central midfield.
 

For the love of Spurs

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Maybe my eyes are deceiving me but he constantly passes well, is mobile, feisty often.

is he Luka Modric, no but he is a good player all the same and we need a player who can pass, move well and generally retain possesion. He will never score 30 yard screamers, or do think things Son or Eriksen can do but that’s not his job. His job is more boring than that and he does it well.
 

Kilkenny Cat

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Said this after Barcelona and saying it again. Winks needs Dembele or Wanyama alongside or behind him as security.
 

newbie

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Said this after Barcelona and saying it again. Winks needs Dembele or Wanyama alongside or behind him as security.

There was a group game I remember thinking winks is a one man midfield, could have been psv, his had a lot of very good games this season in a team which has been desimated by injuries.

We are lucky to have winks he is a 40 million plus player these days.

But against Barca who I think he was very good most of the match, we normally would have more security had it not been for injuries and we hav3 only two CM left.
 

leffe186

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Harry Winks is clearly a talented player. He’s stood up in big games, against big opposition and performed very well. He doesn’t perform to that standard consistently though, that could well be due to his relatively young age or it could be due to the fact he doesn’t have it in his locker. The only way of finding that out is time. Time in training and time on the pitch.

For me the question is; given our position and aspirations as a club, should we be granting Harry that time, or should we be looking to invest in the market. The Spurs way would be to grant him time, and I’m inclined to agree, however for me, the counter argument is that right now, today, we need more.

For comparison, Phil Foden is 18 and every time I see him for City I’m hugely, hugely impressed. If we genuinly want to compete for titles with the likes of city, that’s the kind of CM talent we need.

Of course, it’s highly likely that due to our financial position, we may not be able to invest in the market. In that case, we best hope Harry kicks on finds it in him to shine every week.

That's part of the problem though. "For comparison, let's pick arguably one of the top five young players in the world in that position, a player who is earning stratospheric wages already and who would cost an enormous sum." Or Fabinho, who cost 40M rising and has played less than Winks. Who is, lest we forget, homegrown in every way that qualifies.

We are incredibly lucky to have Winks - no let me rephrase, we have worked bloody hard to have Winks. And it's not a question of investing to improve on him, it's a question of investing to replace Dembele and Wanyama.
 

For the love of Spurs

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Said this after Barcelona and saying it again. Winks needs Dembele or Wanyama alongside or behind him as security.

Don’t disagree but he is not a DM nor is he physically big, he is a pass and move type player and we need to play him like that.

Dembele and Wanyama could be finished at spurs, it’s something we need to solve in Jan or the summer.
 

glospur

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It's when people post regarding Winks that you really can separate the good football judges from the awful, the people who understand the game from those who have no idea.

If you don't see how good he is for his age and the value of the role he's playing then you belong to the latter on both counts.
 

kendoddsdadsdogsdead

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It's when people post regarding Winks that you really can separate the good football judges from the awful, the people who understand the game from those who have no idea.

If you don't see how good he is for his age and the value of the role he's playing then you belong to the latter on both counts.

Not sure about that. There’s no definitive right or wrong opinions on football. People want different things from players and positions on the pitch. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say he’s a poor player with no future here.

I personally like him a lot but can understand why some might not be completely sold on him as a starter for us right now. I think he does need to improve his awareness on the pitch, with and without the ball. Hopefully that will come.
 

For the love of Spurs

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It's when people post regarding Winks that you really can separate the good football judges from the awful, the people who understand the game from those who have no idea.

If you don't see how good he is for his age and the value of the role he's playing then you belong to the latter on both counts.

I think it’s the role thing that gets me, he is pass and move, pass and move. This enable us to retain possesion and control the game but it’s not fancy to watch and hence why he is underrated IMO.

His stats are nearly always the best for passing in our team, normally only Eriksen competes with him for that. He is not a DM nor is he a creative attacking player.
 

Locotoro

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I agree , I was just hoping for another Harry Kane type product who is just unreal.

Makes you wonder how Barcelona produce so many world class talents so effortlessly season after season

There's a few things to consider here.

Firstly, as already said, Barca produce players specific to their very specific style of play. This is why they look class, they know what they are doing the moment they are promoted.

Secondly, many of their players are not actually considered world class until they are in their mid 20s, Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Pedro, these guys only really started getting the world class moniker when they were more experienced.

If you want to see a successful academy, you're better off looking at Real Madrid or Valencia. They produce so many top quality players that are adaptable and versatile they go elsewhere and become stars. La liga Is practically flooded with Real and Valencia graduates and most of them go back when they have become stars.

Winks is developing in a good way and in 3 years time he'll be considered one of the best midfielders in the country.
 

Kiedis

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It's when people post regarding Winks that you really can separate the good football judges from the awful, the people who understand the game from those who have no idea.

If you don't see how good he is for his age and the value of the role he's playing then you belong to the latter on both counts.

hE'S tIDy, bUt He dOeSn'T dO aNyThIng!
 

jurgen

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I feel like he would be a squad player and not higher (yet!) if we brought in an elite midfielder that could take us for the title but why are people saying he’s 5/6/7th level, he’s already playing regularly for a team that’s top 3 in the last 3 years?!
 

allatsea

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Another top performance. Very disciplined and controlled. Coming along nicely now he has a few games under his belt following his nasty injury.
 
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