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If Wanyama and Dembele go, am I confident that we'll get 3 CMs of sufficient quality in? Nope.
Why would we need 3?
If Wanyama and Dembele go, am I confident that we'll get 3 CMs of sufficient quality in? Nope.
2 will do. The Colombian guy and a top ball player. We have Winks, Dier, Sissoko, Eriksen and these new two to cover those 2 positions. I do think we'd need at least one very decent player though. Maybe a Maddison type at a push as back up too (although he is more of a Eriksen back up).If Wanyama and Dembele go, am I confident that we'll get 3 CMs of sufficient quality in? Nope.
I'd always thought we needed a midfielder as is as we can't rely on Dembele's fitness. Personally i'd wanted us to move Dier back to CB with Toby going but it doesn't seem like we want to go down that route with all the ITK we've had on De Ligt. I think we should keep Wanyama, sell Dembele and get 2 CMs in.Why would we need 3?
because 3 is better than 2
Is 3 Wenger's better than 1 pochettino?because 3 is better than 2
e a large number of signings, many of whom were highly rated, but I could tell there would be problems. Bringing in a lot of new players means it takes longer for each one to figure out the culture of the club. The culture risks being diluted or changed.
because 3 is better than 2
I don’t think that’s correct. Many of their players were highly rated and had played at a high level previously. Everton weren’t a top 6 club and on paper their signings improved them.None of their signings were highly rated, not a single one of them would get into a top6 club and you could see it from a mile off that their signings showed a lack of thought into who would fit where. They signed 3 players who play the same role for 1 position.
Our itk has led me to believe theres a real specificity about our targets, much similar to Liverpool last season.
I don’t think that’s correct. Many of their players were highly rated and had played at a high level previously. Everton weren’t a top 6 club and on paper their signings improved them.
Sigurdsson - amazing for swansea
Pickford - phenomenal young keeper. Very good for Sunderland
Michael Keane - brilliant for Burnley
Sandro Ramirez - we were linked to him with many people on here supportive !
Davy Klaasen- just played Europa league final for Ajax
Not every signing was a banger but there was plenty of cause for optimism and Everton have definitely underperformed. I think I offered a coherent reason why.
Anyway - Everton is not the point. The point is that changing a lot of your first team players is rarely (if ever) a successful strategy, for the reasons I gave above.
I don’t think that’s correct. Many of their players were highly rated and had played at a high level previously. Everton weren’t a top 6 club and on paper their signings improved them.
Sigurdsson - amazing for swansea
Pickford - phenomenal young keeper. Very good for Sunderland
Michael Keane - brilliant for Burnley
Sandro Ramirez - we were linked to him with many people on here supportive !
Davy Klaasen- just played Europa league final for Ajax
Not every signing was a banger but there was plenty of cause for optimism and Everton have definitely underperformed. I think I offered a coherent reason why.
Anyway - Everton is not the point. The point is that changing a lot of your first team players is rarely (if ever) a successful strategy, for the reasons I gave above.
I think you vastly underestimate the strength of the core ethos.Here to echo my worries over the implications of the itk.
Last season Everton made a large number of signings, many of whom were highly rated, but I could tell there would be problems. Bringing in a lot of new players means it takes longer for each one to figure out the culture of the club. The culture risks being diluted or changed.
That might be a good thing if you want the culture to change quickly (bringing in lots of new faces is exactly what you would do) and you scouted thoroughly for personality. But the culture at spurs is very good so we have to be careful.
Everyone wants to upgrade the quality of playing staff in key positions but you have to manage the costs of that change - not all costs are measured in transfer fees and wages.
You’re right that the signings seem to have the requisite quality and skill set.We will have to agree to disagree but I still think our ITK has been very specific on our targets
De Ligt - Alder replacement
Sessegnon (mostly in jan) - Rose/lwb replacement
Trix 2 cms and herc germany ITK - replacing Dembele
Martial/Bale itk - Filling our final attack spot
I don't see that as a huge overhaul personally as the core of the team remains.
It didn’t. If you read my reply above I said that the point was not Everton but the risjs associated with changing too many elements of the first team at once, even where those players seem to improve the quality.When did this become the Everton transfer review thread?
I agree with that as my response below shows.I think you vastly underestimate the strength of the core ethos.
When we sold Bale and brought in seven players - that team lacked a core identity - so it was difficult to assimilate, because nobody knew what to assimilate into. Now, Poch has stamped his identity all through-out the club - players, coaches, staff. The core of Kane, Eriksen, Dele, Jan, Lloris - even Winks, Rose, Trippier, Sanchez, Lamela, Son - all have the same mentality.
It is much easier for players to assimilate when the culture of the club is so strong.
You’re right that the signings seem to have the requisite quality and skill set.
There is a hint that there might be 5 players destined for the starting 11 there. Throw in Lucas as well and that’s a third of a match day squad that will change.
I’m not against that necessarily because I know poch will tell them that you come to train and no one is guaranteed a start. Poch bloods new signings slowly too and he’ll make them earn their place. So I am sure the club are aware of the potential costs to club culture - it just never gets spoken about on here.
And we cannot have more than 5 new players imo.