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Chelsea Vs Tottenham: FA Cup Match Thread

riggi

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Charly***

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It's a cruel game sometimes and yesterday was one of those days. I'd much rather be a front foot team than a back foot team like Chelsea. Yesterday it didn't work out for us, we lost a game of football. Credit to Chelsea they took their chances and didn't make individual mistakes. I still certainly see progress from us this season, I think we've gone up a level again. Some over reactions on here, with our first choice left back out and our second choice with a knock Poch had to play someone out of position there and Son was as good an option as any given the form he'd been in. He could have tried someone else there but whoever he chose would have been playing out of position there is no getting around that it doesn't come down to tactics.

Watching that game it really seemed the fates were against us but we kept going to the final whistle, our heads never dropped. It just wasn't our day. This isn't choking it's the very definition of not choking. No team wins every game but we have a level of consistency under Poch that I've never seen from the Spurs side since I've supported them since the 80s.
 

Sweetsman

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Just re-watched the game (I know!) and there's a 5 minute spell after Alli's goal where we we were absolutely mullering them and they were desperate. Desperate enough to go through the back of Kane and Alli in quick succession. No free-kicks or cards given. I do think the ref was very weak today.
There was a passage of play when Alli brought down the ball on the edge of their penalty area and then ballooned it over. Eriksen was in on goal had he passed. Apart from his goal, Alli didn't have a good game, but it wasn't help by that cock Atkinson allowing Chelsea to constantly get away with fouls without any yellows. Alli and Kane have a tendency to try to do things all by themselves on occasions when they should pass.
 

kendoddsdadsdogsdead

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People reading to much into the reason/significance of the result It was always going to be tight game that could go either way. Nothing to do with our mentality as players or a club. It's just a lazy and an easy thing to throw at us from the outside, let's not start buying into it as fans as well
 

worcestersauce

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In play, and I was almost in line with where it happened, my first thought was that it was a penalty, but it also looked like their player took a swallow dive.
A better swallow I've never seen! It's one of those pedantic penalties where a defender went to ground, in this case to block a cross, the attacker saw it and made sure there was contact, the defender wasn't able to avoid the contact so a penalty was given, one thing you can say for certain is that Son didn't foul Moses, had it happened on the half way line Moses would have checked back gone inside and left Son floundering on the floor but in the box he intentionally made contact and done a Tom Daley, that's modern football I'm afraid.
 

shelfboy68

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It's a cruel game sometimes and yesterday was one of those days. I'd much rather be a front foot team than a back foot team like Chelsea. Yesterday it didn't work out for us, we lost a game of football. Credit to Chelsea they took their chances and didn't make individual mistakes. I still certainly see progress from us this season, I think we've gone up a level again. Some over reactions on here, with our first choice left back out and our second choice with a knock Poch had to play someone out of position there and Son was as good an option as any given the form he'd been in. He could have tried someone else there but whoever he chose would have been playing out of position there is no getting around that it doesn't come down to tactics.

Watching that game it really seemed the fates were against us but we kept going to the final whistle, our heads never dropped. It just wasn't our day. This isn't choking it's the very definition of not choking. No team wins every game but we have a level of consistency under Poch that I've never seen from the Spurs side since I've supported them since the 80s.

We have a wonderful team that is still yet to deliver a prize and that is the nuts and bolts of it, yes we do go on the front foot which is in keeping with club tradition.
But history shows that Chelsea are in yet another final whilst we again fail to reach or even win one, again another appalling statistic.
We can make excuses or justifications as to why we can't do it but the reality is that we constantly under achieve in these type of environments, luckily we are still in the hunt for CL qualification so a crumb of comfort can be had.
 

adamsky

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Have woken up today feeling more pissed off/gutted than I felt yesterday immediately after the game. Have to avoid all footy news till Wednesday. I will quickly get over losing if we get a result against Palace
 

Charly***

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We have a wonderful team that is still yet to deliver a prize and that is the nuts and bolts of it, yes we do go on the front foot which is in keeping with club tradition.
But history shows that Chelsea are in yet another final whilst we again fail to reach or even win one, again another appalling statistic.
We can make excuses or justifications as to why we can't do it but the reality is that we constantly under achieve in these type of environments, luckily we are still in the hunt for CL qualification so a crumb of comfort can be had.

As a club yes it's a damning statistic however I would suggest that we are on the correct course for putting this right. We are immensely improved compare to Spurs squads of years goneby. As a team we didn't used to be a serious proposition these days we are, we're respected and feared. We're not at the very top but we getting there and it's a process of evolution of moulding the squad of young players, it's not an instant fix. I don't see the correlation with the failure of squads of years gone by and his current one, I'd venture we are a different proposition these days. But actually winning a trophy takes many things a lot that we have in place and some that we still need to put in place. But I think our squad is in the best hands it's ever been in in the modern era.
 

BromleySpur

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No doubt it's already been said (I haven't read the whole thread), but after losing the semi against Portsmouth a few years back we promptly beat Arsenal and Chelsea in the next two games, and went on to achieve CL qualification. Let's see what happens before we start writing the season off.
 

Ionman34

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I don't think it was a penalty and I was shocked the pundits all thought it was. Anywhere else on the pitch and Moses gets booked for simulation and/or the ref waves play on. It's perfectly acceptable for a player to slide in anticipation of blocking a shot or a cross.

If an attacking player runs into a defending player in such a situation, regardless of the defending players body shape or whether they stayed on their feet or not, at the very worst it's obstruction and an indirect free kick.

The penalty decision was shocking.
Speaking of penalties, strictly by the laws of the game, the tackle by Ake on Dele should have been given. Yes Ake played the ball, but he's come from behind and caught Dele before playing the ball, which is a foul and has been given elsewhere.

It is infuriating that a penalty can be given when a player goes over after no contact, despite Son not touching the ball, yet none is given when a player is caught first, just because the defender happens to contact the ball belatedly.
 

Shadydan

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The problem is that he didn't use the tools at his disposal appropriately. If Davies was injured, the tool to use at LB/LWB was Vertonghen.

I'm not even sure Davies was injured as I get the feeling that Poch was trying to shoehorn Dier, Demblele, Wanyama and Son all into the same team.

I'm sure he will learn from this...he got outsmarted by Conte yesterday. It was the equivalent of 'rope a dope'.

We've got to move forward quickly and ensure CL for next season as soon as posssible. If that happens then it will still be an excellent season!

Vertonghen's against Moses wouldn't have worked I think, his pace doesn't match up and taking Vertonghen out of the centre with Toby would have weakened our defence somewhat. We always knew that our left side minus Rose was our achilees heel and there was a danger that we'd get picked off against the best team and so it proved.

If anything this game showed where we are short this season and what we need to improve on, we need a left back who matches Rose's pace and athleticism and our sub options need to be better, they bought on Hazard, Costa and Fabregas our subs were Walker and Nkoudou - can you imagine if we had Zaha and Barkley coming off the bench.

So I can certainly see the logic and it probably would have worked against the majority of other teams but playing at this level is fine margins and we were punished...like you said we need to move on.
 

Shadydan

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Then play Jan there and put Wimmer in or go to a back 4. Chelsea had injuries too.

I think it's important to focus on what we did with the options we had, rather than the options we didn't.

Rose was injured, as was Davies (apparently).

Given this, could we have set up better than we did?

I would say yes.

This is all well and good and very much hindsight but if he took Vertonghen out of defence and replaced him with Wimmer our central defence would have been severely weakened and if we had lost that match people would be asking the same questions.

Anyway we didn't lose that match on the basis of Son playing at LWB, we lost because Chelsea were more clinical than us, fine margins.
 

shelfboy68

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As a club yes it's a damning statistic however I would suggest that we are on the correct course for putting this right. We are immensely improved compare to Spurs squads of years goneby. As a team we didn't used to be a serious proposition these days we are, we're respected and feared. We're not at the very top but we getting there and it's a process of evolution of moulding the squad of young players, it's not an instant fix. I don't see the correlation with the failure of squads of years gone by and his current one, I'd venture we are a different proposition these days. But actually winning a trophy takes many things a lot that we have in place and some that we still need to put in place. But I think our squad is in the best hands it's ever been in in the modern era.

Win something would put it right for me it is so disappointing to see the same scenario as two years ago when we lost to them in the final.
I'm not so sure we are feared and respected yet as our CL record this year was also poor, I at least expected to get out of the group and previous to that our Europa league record is also shit reaching only the quarter final in ten years another damming statistic.
I definitely think that others are more aware of us now but until we deliver we won't be a credible threat just yet.
Before the game yesterday I honestly felt it was our time but after watching the first 15 minutes I wondered if it was going to be our day as we looked shaky at the back to me.
I have this nagging doubt that by this time next weekend we will be out of the title race too, the fold up looks inevitable to me.
 
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