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Opinion of AVB in hindsight?
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KaribYid
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Bale under Redknapp and Bale under AVB wasn't the same player. AVB pushed him up a level.
GeneralBurk
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Bale would have achieved what he did with or without AVB. Same with all the very best players.
Was Manuel Pellegrini responsible for Ronaldo, kaka, Xabi Alonso and Benzemas success?
dagraham
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This. According to journos Bale and his agent came back after the summer and requested he play more in a free role. So I don't think AVB had much to do with it.
Let's face it, from the moment Bale scored that hat-trick in the San Siro he was on an unstoppable path to greatness and everything that brings, including an inflated ego.
Every team contains 11 players and they all contributed in some way but we became as close to a one man team as it's possible to be.
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GeneralBurk
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Ronaldo under Ferguson and Ronaldo under Pellegrini wasn't the same player. 26 La Liga goals in 28 games.
Pellegrini was not the reason.
KaribYid
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These players didn't go up a level under Pellegrini though. This isn't a case of Bale being world class and just continued to be world class under AVB. He was a good player who became world class under the guidance of AVB.
GeneralBurk
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Now you're talking nonsense. Ronaldo improved immeasurably from the world class one in his final season at United. Xabi Alonso improved as well. Players get better as they reach their peak years.
Is Defoe's resurgence due to his mercurial talents of David Moyes?
@Bobby__Lucky
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Andre was a very decent manager for us. Doesn't deserve to be slated, he was likeable and.at least played football with a plan.
Highest point total in Prem for us..I liked him. Had he got the players he wanted which wasn't that outrageous. Willian and Mouthino in particular we may have seen something different.
We have to remember he lost King, Modric and VDV out of the team right before he came.
I prefer Maurice, but Andre was by no means a failure in my eyes.
Highest point total in Prem for us..I liked him. Had he got the players he wanted which wasn't that outrageous. Willian and Mouthino in particular we may have seen something different.
We have to remember he lost King, Modric and VDV out of the team right before he came.
I prefer Maurice, but Andre was by no means a failure in my eyes.
Shadydan
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I think there's a middle ground where both sides are missing on the AVB/Bale thing, I think one couldn't happen without the other and I do think that Bale would have hit his heights regardless, that said AVB did give him the platform by playing him in that role to go do his thing, put it this way AVB did more for Bale than Redknapp did IMO.
Wirral Spurs
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Liked him when he was one of us, not bothered now.
muppetman
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We have a winner and you can replace the first word with dislike if that helps.
Khilari
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You make a decent set of points. But I always got the feeling that despite the player losses above, we actually had a decent team that with the right coach could have achieved more. You're right though - we shouldn't underestimate what he did achieve.
I think AVB gets slated however more for the style of play under him than anything else. Ponderous football - with a plan as you say but no plan B to change things up.
The Europa cup, we lost on penalties to Basel. The only other manager to get us to quarter final stage in the last 22 years was Jol.
As for the rest of your post, Kaz's post debunks the myth that everything was down to Bale.
allpaths
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Honestly any manager that didn't rely on Bale would have been a complete incompetent human being. To me a bigger indication of his true time at the club was the total capitulation and cowardly display the majority of the time that we played one of the big boys. I was left embarassed by the club so many times during his time, and he acted like a spineless prat who never wanted to take responsibility for his and the teams shortcomings.
I only enjoyed 2 games during his entire spell, 3-2 at West Ham and 2-1 Arsenal at the Lane. He brought me very little pleasure, but I hold no grudge against him as the whole club was at fault during this period. What does bother me are the revisionists who try to tell me that this time wasnt as shitty as what it was, which is complete bollocks.
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GeneralBurk
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I think what speaks volumes is even in the the year we finished 5th it was still the most tedious football to watch. Similar to Man Utd under LVG with ridiculous possession stats but the passes were always sideways and the Roy Keane memory of Fergies teamtalk was still relevant to the top teams. "Lads it's Tottenham".
That is certainly not true anymore under Poch.
TottenhamMattSpur
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Redknapp got us to the quarter final of the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.
I know, I am not belittling that achievement, so what's your point?
You think we're too good for that competition?
