Player Watch: Dele Alli

nightgoat · Oct 1, 2015

talkshowhost86 said:
Maybe but that could be done with a conversation rather than a call up to the international scene. Just look at Grealish.

Slightly different situations, though. Grealish has played all his youth football for the Republic and was announcing a switch in allegiance, whereas Alli has played all his youth football for England, so probably doesn't feel the need to make a statement of his intent to play for England. It was only going to be a matter of time before Alli got a call up to the full squad anyway. Grealish, on the other hand would probably have got 50+ caps if he'd stayed with Ireland. He'll be doing well if he gets 10 for England.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 1, 2015

nightgoat said:
Slightly different situations, though. Grealish has played all his youth football for the Republic and was announcing a switch in allegiance, whereas Alli has played all his youth football for England, so probably doesn't feel the need to make a statement of his intent to play for England. It was only going to be a matter of time before Alli got a call up to the full squad anyway. Grealish, on the other hand would probably have got 50+ caps if he'd stayed with Ireland. He'll be doing well if he gets 10 for England.

Think that's a bit Spurs-tinted-specs there. I reckon Grealish and Alli are as promising as each other at this stage.

jurgen · Oct 1, 2015

Nah. Far easier to look competent or even inspiring for Villa under Timmeh. Alli looks a natural - and more professional, until we see otherwise on the Mail sidebar..

HildoSpur · Oct 1, 2015

I am delighted for the kid but it does seem a bit early - if this happened 6 months from now I think we would all feel a bit more comfortable about it. Mind you, given how quickly he has adapted to the Premiership I have no doubt he could do the same to International football.

faze_coys · Oct 1, 2015

talkshowhost86 said:
Think that's a bit Spurs-tinted-specs there. I reckon Grealish and Alli are as promising as each other at this stage.

Dont agree, Alli is way ahead of grealish in his development, and already capable of putting in performances way ahead of his age as the city game showed, a very mature performance without stealing headlines with a goal. Where as grealish is at the stage where he is just showing glimpses of talent.

Mr Pink · Oct 1, 2015

talkshowhost86 said:
He's only played a handful of games at DM and definitely shouldn't be considered for England there yet.

Similarly Alli shouldn't have even been considered at this stage after so few games at the highest level.

I'm happy for our players that they are getting recognised, but it really is a sign of how badly the England team is run that people are rushed into the squad so quickly.

I hope none of our players feature to be honest. It's a meaningless game anyway.

CB though? He's been excellent there IMO.

jezz · Oct 1, 2015

Dier screwed his England career the day he pulled out of the U21 tournament.
Sad really but great for us.

HildoSpur · Oct 1, 2015

jezz said:
Dier screwed his England career the day he pulled out of the U21 tournament.
Sad really but great for us.

Nah he will be in the squad by the end of the season.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 1, 2015

Mr Pink said:
CB though? He's been excellent there IMO.

Yeah he's had more games at CB, but still not loads. Plus he was technically part of one of the worst defences in the league last season.

It's still very early for him for England, although there is no question that he should be in there if his development continues as it is.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 1, 2015

faze_coys said:
Dont agree, Alli is way ahead of grealish in his development, and already capable of putting in performances way ahead of his age as the city game showed, a very mature performance without stealing headlines with a goal. Where as grealish is at the stage where he is just showing glimpses of talent.

That's basing a lot on one game against City.

Mr Pink · Oct 1, 2015

talkshowhost86 said:
Yeah he's had more games at CB, but still not loads. Plus he was technically part of one of the worst defences in the league last season.

It's still very early for him for England, although there is no question that he should be in there if his development continues as it is.

I think now is the ideal time to try players like Dier, qualification has already been secured.

I'd be amazed if he doesn't end up making the squad for the Euro's. He'll end up being that versatile option, superior to the likes of Jones.

Anyway I don't understand what the rush is with Alli when England have a plethora of midfielders to chose from, not DM's.

spursfan77 · Oct 1, 2015

Diabolical decision from hodgson to put him in the squad. He's far too young. This
The press will be sharpening their knives with glee already.

Don't get me wrong, he's going to be a great player but this is too soon.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 1, 2015

Mr Pink said:
I think now is the ideal time to try players like Dier, qualification has already been secured.

I'd be amazed if he doesn't make the squad for the Euro's.

Anyway I don't understand what the rush is with Alli when England have a plethora of midfielders to chose from, not DM's.

I'm not sure I agree with this. England have so few games together that I think it makes sense to try and keep the squad fairly stable between now and the tournament.

But yeah if Dier continues as he has done he'll surely be in as a DM.

Mr Pink · Oct 1, 2015

talkshowhost86 said:
I'm not sure I agree with this. England have so few games together that I think it makes sense to try and keep the squad fairly stable between now and the tournament.

But yeah if Dier continues as he has done he'll surely be in as a DM.

Well my original point was, it seems odd to be selecting Alli before Dier.

talkshowhost86 · Oct 1, 2015

Mr Pink said:
Well my original point was, it seems odd to be selecting Alli before Dier.

Definitely.

faze_coys · Oct 1, 2015

talkshowhost86 said:
That's basing a lot on one game against City.

And a full season being the main man at mk dons. How many 18 year olds are the heartbeat of a team regardless of the level.

Hes playing levels above his age, grealish isnt

Disconosebleed · Oct 1, 2015

talkshowhost86 said:
But yeah if Dier continues as he has done he'll surely be in as a DM.

Not necessarily - seems pretty clear that Hodgson has his heart set on an Alonso-style controller at the base of midfield, trying out Carrick, Wilshere, Delph and Shelvey in that role. Dier can play a bit but he's more of a destroyer so I'd be surprised to see Hodgson plump for him on that basis. The fact that he's competent in three positions is a bigger mark in his favour when it comes to tournament football, allowing Hodgson not to pick a specialist right back and plump for another underwhelming right-winger instead.

FWIW Alli deserves his call-up IMO - he looks born to be a top-level footballer and is improving game on game. Dier will probably get plenty of caps too, but bedding in Alli now makes sense when he's already good enough and has the potential to be a real superstar, in a position that has been a problem for England for years.

spurs9 · Oct 1, 2015

talkshowhost86 said:
Maybe but that could be done with a conversation rather than a call up to the international scene. Just look at Grealish.

Footballers are fickle (Humans are in general tbh) a conversation guarantees nothing, 1 cap (which could be a 5 min sub appearance) and his int fate belongs to England.

beats1 · Oct 1, 2015

It does make you wonder how Kane had to wait till he had to score about 20 goals before he got a call up

Mason had a great start to the season and never got a chance bar a little sub appearance

Dier had been good last season not one call up, been better than Alli this season and no call up

Alli getting a call up at this age just smacks of the golden generation tactics and if anything might harm his performances like it has for other players who got a call up too early

faze_coys said:
And a full season being the main man at mk dons. How many 18 year olds are the heartbeat of a team regardless of the level.

Hes playing levels above his age, grealish isnt

In the lower leagues it is actually more common like Will Hughes, Teddy Bishop and Lewis Cook

THFCSPURS19 · Oct 1, 2015

beats1 said:
It does make you wonder how Kane had to wait till he had to score about 20 goals before he got a call up

Mason had a great start to the season and never got a chance bar a little sub appearance

Dier had been good last season not one call up, been better than Alli this season and no call up

Alli getting a call up at this age just smacks of the golden generation tactics and if anything might harm his performances like it has for other players who got a call up too early

In the lower leagues it is actually more common like Will Hughes, Teddy Bishop and Lewis Cook

Many considered Alli to be the best player in the league, even though he was only 18. Now that isn't common.

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